I don't believe this is entirely correct. The Admin credentials do need to
be present and verified, but the "run as" secondary logon is sufficient.
Someone with Admin credentials does not have to be the primary logon for the
updates to fire and install.
I am not dead sure what you are implying with the "Windows update will not
install ANY update if the Admin is not logged on." statement. I have been
using the "runas" method in our company for over three years, and other than
an occasional hickup where Admin or otherwise the update service just stops
functioning, every pc just updates like a clock once a day no matter who is
logged on to the pc. The odd update failure seems to involve a reg entry
that gives a corrupt version that I manually change, and off it goes again.
Servers, of course, are a different story. To set those up with "auto
update" without any sandboxing should only be done if your resume is updated
and your next prospective employer is in sight.
Good luck, and kudos to MSFT on the Update service. I don't see anyone else
doing anything even remotely close to this level of customer service.
The driver updates included in this service are a real blessing. Any
printer vendor, for example, that comes onsite is immediately quizzed on
whether they participate in the MSFT update service. If not, adios. I
consider a vendor who doesn't participate actively in this driver update
service to be jacking up the TCO (total cost of ownership) to my company to
save themselves some cash. Canon is the worst at this...zero participation,
zero email notification of new drivers. They just don't seem to get it.
If you bought $1000 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now
be worth $49.
If you bought $1000 worth of Budweiser (the beer, not the stock) one
year ago, drank all the beer, and traded in the cans for the nickel
deposit,you would have $79.
My advice to you is to start drinking heavily....
And save your cans!
From: Caeser Augustus [mailto:caeser.augustus () gmail com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:07 PM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Administrator Rights?
Windows update will not install ANY update if the Admin is not logged on.
If you are running XP, then I have noticed that going through with the pre
SP1 updates is a pain nowadays. They seem to download OK but fail to
Manually installing the updates may be an option, but I also wonder if the
XP systems are using the new V5 site or the older V4 one.
On a seperate note, for the updates to work properly with the V5, an update
is required. If WIndows update does not install it automatically then, you
may install it seperately from
And you may also have a look at
Hope this helps:
On 1 Dec 2004 03:31:58 -0000, dmorrow5 () satx rr com <dmorrow5 () satx rr com>
I'd like to think I'm somewhat computer savvy, but this one escapes
me...running XP, trying to run Windows Update. All but one or two updates
will fail. I've done some research that suggested a necessary service may
not have started, but this is not the case. When looking at the user
account, they are designated as Administrator. However, Windows Update says
it won't install the updates unless it's accomplished by an administrator.