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Re: Legal? Road Runner proactive scanning.
From: "steve" <securityfocus () delahunty com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:44:56 -0500

Also makes me think that their port scanning is no different than anyone
else port scanning you.  Is that legal or not --- I would say it is not
illegal but not necessarily ethical.

And back to the orignal concern, your IDS logs, do you check every entry in
your IDS logs?  I would think that most IDS logs would not alert on this
type activity since it really has become so commonplace.  I don't know many
places that check every log entry in their IDS but rather focus on those
that are truly potential attacks.  I do see most of us might make an
argument that a port scan is the initial phase of a potentially larger
attack later.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mitchell Rowton" <mrowton () bdo com>
To: <bsampsel () libertyactivist org>; <security-basics () securityfocus com>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Legal? Road Runner proactive scanning.


I'm sure they could argue that a port scan was checking ports for "open
proxies."  Are they just scanning for port 25 or actually doing an open
relay test?  Same with proxy, are they just scanning for 8080 and other
ports, or are they testing also?

Sounds like they are abusing machines to find out if they can be
"abused for malicious purposes."

"Bryan S. Sampsel" <bsampsel () libertyactivist org> 03/10/04 06:58PM

I've had entries from that system performing port scans...not simply
SMTP
relay checking.

I think it's time to block 'em at the firewall, as I consider this
tantamount to an attack myself.

IMO,

bryan



Greg said:
We saw the same thing about a year ago and contacted them. They
basically read to us verbatim what you have below. We now simply
block
that particular IP at the firewall. They haven't bothered us since.

--- jbod <for_the_republic () yahoo com> wrote:
Proactive scanning.  If everyone did this how would
you ever sort through your logs?  Your IDS would go
nuts constantly.

Excerpt:  "If your server connects to ours, we reserve
the absolute right to perform SMTP relay and open
proxy server tests upon the connecting IP address, to
ensure that the machine at that IP address cannot be
abused for malicious purposes."


http://securityscan.sec.rr.com/probing.htm
http://24.30.199.228/probing.htm


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