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RE: IP announce DOS
From: "Andrew Shore" <andrew.shore () holistecs com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:20:40 +0100

It most definitely is not possible to transfer IP ranges between ISP.

The reason is simple. Routing on the internet is done by taking all the
ip address an isp has and reducing it to one address/mask

For example

If I (as an ISP) had address - and I gave you

Anyone outside my network would see you class C as part of my class B
and route to my b. When data enters my network I know the local route to
send it. 

Its like driving to street, first you drive to the right city then you
find the right street.

This means that to the rest of the world I have only 1 network
/ 16 so only 1 routing entry in "the world routing table"

If you took one of my ranges to another isp this would no longer the
case, routers can hold routes such as network exept this way. So I would have to break down my "world routing
table" entry into many others. 

Multiply that by the number of ISPs and the number of address and pretty
so the global routing table hold millions of routes and every packet
going across the internet has to be compared against every route table
entry. Then you'll know what a slow internet is.

OK so I've realllllly simplified this but that's the general gist and
reason why you can take one ISPs address range to another.


-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Ng [mailto:thomasng () ida gov sg] 
Sent: 10 June 2005 04:50
To: 'Alex Thurlow'; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: IP announce DOS


Shouldn't it be that each ISPs have their own big blocks? Chances are,
the class C given to you is in the middle of one of these huge blocks. I
am not sure what is your agreement with the old and new ISP, but I don't
think it is that simple to transfer the same set of IPs from one ISP to
another. It is technically possible ... but I don't think it is that

Usually what I do when I change ISP is to just ask for a new set of IPs
from the new ISP, change the DNS, allow the TTLs to run out and shift to
the new sets of IP address. If you play with the DNS correctly, you can
get minimal downtime, dependent on size and sophistication of your


-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Thurlow [mailto:buddychrist () gmail com]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:24 AM
To: 'security-basics () securityfocus com'
Subject: IP announce DOS
Importance: High

I'm not positive this is the correct list to ask, but it is a security
concern, so I thought I would.  The company I work for had T1 lines
running to our office provided by a local provider.  We had our own C
block of IPs being announced by them and routed to us over those T1s.
Our relationship with them went sour (for many reasons I won't get
here), and we had to move to a different provider.  We had the routing
switched over to them.  Everything was fine.  Here it is a few weeks
later, and suddenly our old provider starts announcing these IPs
The end result is a partial DOS attack (hence writing to this list) as
some people can't reach us.  They won't stop the announcement.  I
know all the details on what they've said there as it's now gone to
executives and legal people dealing with them.  Is there anything we
do here from a network standpoint?  Someone we can report them to?
do people protect themselves from just anyone announcing IPs that

Thanks in advance,
Alex Thurlow


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