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RE: University Degree or CISSP
From: "Craig Wright" <cwright () bdosyd com au>
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:12:52 +1100


Further,

A logical "or" includes either item A, item B or a combination of items
A and B.

An "exclusive OR" was not mentioned and "or" may in fact represent
either of two alternatives 'or' both.

"Or" may be used to indicate a synonymous or equivalent expression. The
conjecture may also indicate uncertainty or indefiniteness.

Thus there is a valid argument in the affirmative for the acceptance of
"both". "both" dictates a valid answer to the question both through an
indication of uncertainty or indefiniteness to the choice and also poses
the question as the value of either in pure comparison.

Regards
Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: evb [mailto:swiver () cox net]
Sent: 26 January 2006 12:20
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: University Degree or CISSP

College is intended to teach people how to think and communicate, both
verbally in writing.  The CISSP is not.  To bring Bill Gates into this I
think is to steer a bit of course. 

Further, the question was presented as an either/or question, so the
answer of "both" doesn't count.

Eric
www.risk-averse.com

:-----Original Message-----
:From: Toby Barrick [mailto:tbarrick () cox net]
:Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:52 PM
:To: Ken Kousky; security-basics () securityfocus com
:Subject: Re: University Degree or CISSP
:
:Ken,
:
:With you as a degree holder (I assume that you are) I'm sure :that you
feel that way about a degree. The fact of the matter :is that a degree
is a piece of paper, a mark on a stick as to :what you have spent in
dollars and time. A CISSP is a mark on :a stick as to what you know
(memorized) about security related :issues (plus whatever money was
spent). Neither of which, in :the real word is worth it's weight in
paper.
:
:I know lots of folks that have PhD that are worthless. Yeah :they bang
down the bucks due to the paper on the wall, but :they are totally
clueless. I know mechanics that make more :than I do investing in
futures.
:
:I'm not a big fan of the guy but take Bill Gates for example.
:He does not have a degree, he dropped out of college. I'd :actually be
surprised if he even has any certifications.
:
:The bottom line counts in this world is vision, insight, :intuition,
hard work, and a feel for situations that whisper :"this is not right,"
I can fix it - then acting on that thought.
:
:Ok - I'm sure the flames will fly in my face, but that is my opinion.
:
:Have a great day.
:
:
:Ken Kousky wrote:
:
:> This is the craziest conversation I ever heard of - there is NO :>
comparison between a REAL degree and CISSP. CISSP is great, valuable :>
and vital but it isn't in any way comparable.
:>
:> Simply put, if you don't have a degree - get one and get the :best
one :> you can.
:>
:> -----Original Message-----
:> From: Huang, John, GCM [mailto:John.Huang () rbsgc com] :> Sent: Monday,
January 23, 2006 1:41 PM :> To: security-basics () securityfocus com :>
Subject: RE: Re: University Degree or CISSP :> :> Degree or CISSP? It
depends on where you are in life. A degree helps :> you in the door and
advancement into a management position usually :> require a college
degree. But if you're already in the field :and don't :> have a college
degree, a CISSP cert is easier to obtain in a shorter :> amount of time,
and provide more immediate benefit since you can put :> the things you
learn into use.
:>
:> -----Original Message-----
:> From: shyaam () gmail com [mailto:shyaam () gmail com] :> Sent: Friday,
January 20, 2006 10:25 PM :> To: security-basics () securityfocus com :>
Subject: Re: Re: University Degree or CISSP :> :> Yes, :> Very true.
Nothing counts equivalent to experience, but experience :> comes only
when someone starts somewhere. I have seen one big thing :> happening
around. People in the industries shifted from :technology to :>
business, that is the point when they lost the security and created :>
more loopholes in their own products as they reduced the :time needed,
:> reduced budgets and spent more on advertisements and marketing.
:> How does that reflect on people. They need people already with :>
experience. But how is that possible. Everybody needs to start :>
somewhere. So experience does count, but I would say some :foundation,
:> some added qualification and some experience is good for a cool job.
:> For a startup job, some degree and some cert is essential.
:>
:> PS: This is my opinion, I am not pointing out any company or any :>
private organization.
:>
:> -S-
:>

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