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RE: Social Engineering
From: "Ebeling, Jr., Herman Frederick" <hfebelingjr () lycos com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:38:38 -0500


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From: Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers [mailto:bugtraq () planetcobalt net]
Sent: Thursday, 05 January, 2006 13:21
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Social Engineering

: On 2006-01-05 elite.coder () ntlworld com wrote:
:: OK, Everyone seems to think that Social Engineering cant be solved with
:: software, so I shall show you some of the ideas I have to defeat SE with software.
::
:: Idea 1: A Directory site.
::
:: The site will be used by companies to find out if Person X works at
:: company Y. how will this work?
::
:: Well, first an admin is nominated from the company (pref. someone who is
:: "up" on security i.e. a sys admin)
:: This admin will register the company with the site,
:: Then he will register everyone in the company with the site
:
: First of all: you still need the target of the social engineering attack
: to actually do that lookup. But if people did cross-check, social
: engineering wouldn't work at all. Please re-read Mitnick's book. You
: seem to have completely missed his point.
:
: In addition to that, even if people did look up in a directory like you
: suggest, what would prevent an attacker from picking an existing name
: from that directory? What good would the lookup do in that case? This
: scenario was already mentioned in one reply you got.
:
: Other issues are: who will maintain that directory? Who will be allowed
: to register people? Why do you consider maintainer and registrar
: trustworthy? How will the directory be protected from forgery (e.g.
: attacker registers forged name prior to attack)?
:
: And last, but absolutely not least: what makes you believe that every
: company would want to publish a complete list of their employees?
:

Not to mention the high turn rate that some companies have, it is still possible for an
employee who was let go/quit to
still be active in said directory.  Also not to mention IF company "a" employees more then
a "handful" of people ya'd
need to take the search time into account.

Also how long would a person have to be working there before they're added to the
database?  There are a whole LOT of
variables to take into account.

Herman
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