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RE: OWA, basic authentication, and Windows NT Challenge and Response NTLM
From: "Matt Toczek" <MattT () netforcement com>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:34:04 -0500

Bret,

Yes, this is certainly possible.  The scenario you're describing is a
good example of a MITM (Man In The Middle) attack.
        NT Challenge/Response isn't going to be of much help in this
case.  Since the Man in the middle (paros or some other such program) is
going to intercept the user's credentials and the CR's, the server can
challenge/response as many times as it likes, and the attacker is going
to grab it all.

Ideally the OWA cert would be signed by a well-known and widely-trusted
CA.  In this case, the user's browser would likely trust it implicitly,
thus limiting the user discretion required; this will help protect them
against MITM attacks.

Installing a self-signed cert on the OWA box is a good way to open up
the transmissions to MITM attacks.


Sincerely,

Matthew Toczek, Security+, MCP, Security Operative       
www.netforcement.com
610.260.9989 Office                           
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-----Original Message-----
From: bret.lugo () gmail com [mailto:bret.lugo () gmail com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:22 PM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: OWA, basic authentication, and Windows NT Challenge and
Response NTLM

If a user uses Outlook Web Acess over https on a untrusted network such
as a wifi hotspot or a airport and does not check the certificate to
make sure its valid would it be possible for someone to use a program
proxy such as paros to see there user name and password if basic
authentication is used on the OWA server?

Would using Windows NT Challenge and Response NTLM not allow this to
happen?

Also what would be the best defense against this sort of attack if your
users do not check for valid certificates when using untrusted networks?

Maybe make them IPsec VPN in before they can access OWA?

Thanks for the help


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