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Re: application for an employment
From: Cesc <cesc.santa () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:12:21 +0200

May i propose a different view?
If you set up a server connected to the public internet with a few
services available ... wouldn't it be a valid analogy to say that you
have several gates to you house, where each is guarded (or should be)
by a bouncer/guard. Me, standing on the public sidewalk, not only have
the right to see and check which and how many gates you have, but also
is no crime to approach the bouncer/guard and talk to him/her. No
crime in talking ... which following the analogy, i would consider as
connecting or sending probe packets.
If the house owner did not educate well enough the bouncers to not
give out information to passers by is not "my" fault.

Just random thoughts ...

Cesc

On 3/28/06, Craig Wright <cwright () bdosyd com au> wrote:

Actually I see this as a Very good analogy.

It also has the legal issues covered.

If you break the window you are liable for "Criminal damage" and this is
a risk you take.

If you do not break the window (using small stones or small clumps of
dirt for example) you are not legally liable - though the owner of the
window may still not be happy.

Than again, sometimes the vase inside the open window gets broken.....

Regards
Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gillett [mailto:gillettdavid () fhda edu]
Sent: 28 March 2006 6:18
To: 'Craddock, Larry'; security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: application for an employment

  It's more like throwing a stone at a window to see if it's open.
Sometimes the stone bounces off the closed window, sometimes it sails
through the open window, and sometimes it *breaks* the window.
"I only wanted to find out if the window was open or closed" is not
generally considered an excuse to avoid responsibility for the broken
pane....

David Gillett


-----Original Message-----
From: Craddock, Larry [mailto:l_craddock () wfec com]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:59 AM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: application for an employment

Seems to me port scanning is neither picking a lock or seeing a door
hanging wide open but more like rattling a door to see if it is
unlocked. I don't know about you, but if someone comes by my house and

rattles the door to check whether or not it's locked I'm going to
assume he has bad intentions whether he does or not and he'll need to
be prepared for my response.



-----Original Message-----
From: L G [mailto:nitziya74 () hotmail com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:23 PM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: application for an employment

This is a good thread which begs further discussion.

I guess the crudest part of my question is, was Mathias picking a
lock, or did he see a door hanging wide open?
And at what point is someone going through an open door versus looking

in a window versus admiring someone's architecture from the street?

lg

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