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RE: General question
From: Bob Radvanovsky <rsradvan () unixworks net>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:22:28 -0600

For what it's worth, today's market comes down to *who* you know, not *what* you know.  And I agree -- personality has 
ALOT to do with how your boss/manager sees you and how you fit into their scheme of things.  Realistically, managers 
are to exist for *us*, the underlings; their success *should* be dictated based on how successful *you* are.  
Unfortunately, this isn't usually the case anymore.

I also would agree with Dr. Wright in that it's primariyl about economics.  If an organization has a *need* for you, 
you are simply fulfilling a need or purpose within the organization -- nothing more.  Personality with your 
boss/manager/dictator/HIS/her HOLINESS-THE EMPEROR (I'm trying to make a point here, even though I get swimmingly well 
with my boss -- it's all a matter of perspective) and how you view him/her is what determines if you get respect -- or 
not. Moreso if you are in a highly visible position, too, whether it's networking engineer or security analyst.

Take all of these economical and psychodynamic factors into play, learn how to use them wisely and positively, and 
you've got yerself a winning strategy!

-rad

----- Original Message -----
From: David Gillett [mailto:gillettdavid () fhda edu]
To: 'Francois Yang' [mailto:francois.y () gmail com], security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: General question


  Your boss is incompetent.  Details of individual compensation are
either (a) public, as a result of a collective bargaining contract,
or (b) confidential to the employee in question, their manager, and
the payroll department within HR.  In neither case is it appropriate
for a manager to discuss them with another employee, and so I have
to immediately wonder what other parts of Management 101 your boss
slept through.

  The statement is wrong on multiple other levels as well, ranging 
from "does he even know what I do?" to "managers should *never* put
themselves in the position of explaining to an employee *why* they
are being UNDERPAID -- because that presumes that they ARE".  


  Years back, a senior partner asked my boss why morale in our department
was "so poor", and she diplomatically answered that we didn't feel 
that we were being treated as professionals.  (She *could* have been
considerably less diplomatic in her phrasing, but she needed the
job....)  Supposedly he answered "Well, you're not.  Professionals
make over $XXX per year."
  When the story made the rounds to me, my immediate realization was
that there was only ONE reason I was making less than $XXX, and it was
*who I was working for*, not what I was doing!  So I knew it was time
to move on, and did.

David Gillett



-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com 
[mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Francois Yang
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:31 AM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: General question

what if your boss told you that the network engineers who 
maintain the network and servers got paid more (10k more) 
than you  the security analyst because they DO MORE THINGS?
what would be your reaction?
In my situation I was like WTF (to myself of course) and 
basically said that it was a totally different area and job 
description.
That also bought to my attention that maybe he didn't really 
read my resume, cuz I was doing network administration for 
the past 6 yrs before I got this job.
Now what does that tell you about the boss and my job?


--
If you think technology can solve your security problems, 
then you don't understand the problems and you don't 
understand the technology.
Bruce Schneier

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