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RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys
From: Eric White <ewhite () ssc wisc edu>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:26:36 -0600

I'm not sure this this illegal in the U.S.  I believe the company owns the
assets (PC, network, phones, servers, etc), and can monitor them as they see
fit.  You can argue the ethics of such a thing, but I don't see how it's

If an employer states something along the lines of "all company property if
for authorized use only and all use of property may be monitored and logged"
and I agree to this policy (either by signing paperwork when I'm hired or by
clicking through this message when I login), I shouldn't be surprised when
my actions are in fact monitored, should I?  

Eric White                           

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On
Behalf Of Jan Heisterkamp
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:19 AM
To: Nick Vaernhoej
Cc: security-basics
Subject: Re: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys

Nick Vaernhoej schrieb:

A key logger? At what point are we crossing the line of common decency 

Precisely the question has to be:" At what point are we crossing the line of
common demency [...]

1. The use of keylogger in a company environment without employees consent
or judicial decree is ilegal and will bring your company in serious problems

2. For that, your forensic "e-Trail" is nothing worth due the fact that the
information you received from the keystroking-logs does not comply with
legal reqirements in order to be accepted as evidence in a trial.

3. The time you afford for a general monitoring of all users keystroke logs
is wasted time and costs your company money

4. There are enough other ways to secure workstations properly


-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com 
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On Behalf Of Vandenberg, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:18 AM
To: security-basics
Subject: RE: Securing workstations from IT guys

Those are good points.

I would recommend that you put in a keystroke logger program with the 
written approval of your upper management on the PCs in question and 
then download the logs each day.  That way you are able to create a 
forensics "e-Trail" that can be used to confront/counsel/etc. them.  I 
would also make sure that you look at your documenation and ensure 
that each IT person has signed a document stating that they will not 
use their abilities improperly.  Combine those two and you have a 
means of pursuing them legally.

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