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RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys
From: "Craig Wright" <Craig.Wright () bdo com au>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:46:46 +1100

Only in Federal Government, A federal university and selected other
cases is this illegal in most states in the US (see at will employment
etc).

Many firms/companies can not do this due to Union rules (but this is not
a legal issue).

Craig



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-----Original Message-----

From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of Eric White
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 3:27 AM
To: 'Jan Heisterkamp'; 'Nick Vaernhoej'
Cc: 'security-basics'
Subject: RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys

I'm not sure this this illegal in the U.S.  I believe the company owns
the
assets (PC, network, phones, servers, etc), and can monitor them as they
see
fit.  You can argue the ethics of such a thing, but I don't see how it's
illegal.

If an employer states something along the lines of "all company property
if
for authorized use only and all use of property may be monitored and
logged"
and I agree to this policy (either by signing paperwork when I'm hired
or by
clicking through this message when I login), I shouldn't be surprised
when
my actions are in fact monitored, should I?  

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Eric White                           


-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On
Behalf Of Jan Heisterkamp
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:19 AM
To: Nick Vaernhoej
Cc: security-basics
Subject: Re: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys

Nick Vaernhoej schrieb:

A key logger? At what point are we crossing the line of common decency

[...]

Precisely the question has to be:" At what point are we crossing the
line of
common demency [...]

1. The use of keylogger in a company environment without employees
consent
or judicial decree is ilegal and will bring your company in serious
problems

2. For that, your forensic "e-Trail" is nothing worth due the fact that
the
information you received from the keystroking-logs does not comply with
legal reqirements in order to be accepted as evidence in a trial.

3. The time you afford for a general monitoring of all users keystroke
logs
is wasted time and costs your company money

4. There are enough other ways to secure workstations properly

Regards,
Jan


-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com 
[mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of Vandenberg, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:18 AM
To: security-basics
Subject: RE: Securing workstations from IT guys

 
Those are good points.

I would recommend that you put in a keystroke logger program with the 
written approval of your upper management on the PCs in question and 
then download the logs each day.  That way you are able to create a 
forensics "e-Trail" that can be used to confront/counsel/etc. them.  I

would also make sure that you look at your documenation and ensure 
that each IT person has signed a document stating that they will not 
use their abilities improperly.  Combine those two and you have a 
means of pursuing them legally.


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