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RE: Wireless IP leads to arrest.. (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: "Friend, Jason A Mr CTR USA AMC" <jason.friend () us army mil>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:58:38 -0500

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I have yet to see the article on this.  Just someone giving us
information on said topic.  Do you have a link to the actual article.
It seems like some details may be left out of what was told to us.  

Jay
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From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Lee Hinman
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:43 PM
To: Eric Marden
Cc: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Wireless IP leads to arrest.. (UNCLASSIFIED)

Ahh yes, MAC address may be tied to hardware, but you can also change
it. He could have been framed!

- Lee Hinman

* Eric Marden <security () xentek net> [2007-10-10 09:01:05 -0400]:

Your Mac Address is tied to the hardware - anywhere you connect would 
get it. The ISP may not see it, but the local router surely will.


Eric Marden
xentek: enlightened internet solutions http://xentek.net/

On Oct 9, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Nic Stevens wrote:

How would the ISP know the mac address? I can't see my mac address 
from my server located elsewhere. Once I leave home my mac address 
doesn't follow.

Chinea, Jose L. Jr. (Contractor) wrote:
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This one is simple!  The media has no idea what it is talking about!

How many times do we hear on the media terminology that makes no 
sense at all!?!?!?!  More than likely they tracked IP to an ISP and 
then demanded the ISP to reliquish the MAC address to username being

used at that time (every
ISP has a username and password in order to access their resources).

Also,
if there was a 5 year investigation already going on, they may have 
already known of the hacker's location and narrowed down any 
monitoring to a single subnet on the ISP's network.

just a theory.... but this is probably what happened and the media 
didn't know how to word it


Luis
Computer Systems Analyst II



-----Original Message-----
From: cobrajet [mailto:uby500 () yahoo com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:12 PM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Wireless IP leads to arrest..


Hi Guys,

I am sorry for the delay in getting you more info on this (I was 
traveling).
Here's the story as it appears on the web and for the life of me I 
can't fathom what damning electronic evidence they used to arrest
this guy?
..or
for that matter what the crime was (a criminal opinion?)

"Type of Investigation: Forgery and Identity Theft; Date and Time: 
3/25/06
at 1:00 pm; Location: V/Fredonia; Subject(s): xxxxxxxx, of Rock 
Hill, SC;
Charges: Forgery 3rd, Identity Theft 3rd; Court: C/Dunkirk; Details 
of the
Incident: A five-month investigation concluded in the arrest of 
above subject.  It is alleged that the above subject opened a yahoo 
email address with the name of the victim. The subject then sent a 
politically charged editorial letter to the Observer in the name of 
the victim.  This letter was published.  An investigation into the 
opened yahoo profile and the sender of the letter showed internet 
addresses that came back to the above subject's addresses in South 
Carolina and Fredonia.  The subject was issued appearance tickets 
for the above charges and will appear in the C/Dunkirk Court at a 
later date.  This incident was investigated by the Chautauqua County

Sheriff's Office by Inv. Lawrence S. Klajbor."


How could they arrest someone using an IP address alone without 
siezing or analyzing anything? How could they determine (from many 
states away) who did what on a wireless PC network without 
supporting forensics or misc investiagting evidence?

I was curious as to your comments/clarity nbecause this looks very 
odd to me.






security-35 wrote:

Maybe it was IP + Mac Address of the Wireless NIC?

Where's the full story (link)?


Eric Marden
xentek: enlightened internet solutions http://xentek.net/

On Oct 6, 2007, at 11:03 AM, cobrajet wrote:


How can this be possibile?

A man in WNY was arrested and sentenced to a year in jail over an 
email with the sole piece of evidence being an IP address? (- and 
a wirless IP address at that?! -) How can they determine from an 
IP address who in the house or on a network is actually on the
computer?

Can anyone explain this to me?8-O
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