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RE: Wireless IP leads to arrest.. (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: "Craig Wright" <Craig.Wright () bdo com au>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:15:21 +1000

Then this is something that needs to be included in court. It is not an
issue to stop the arrest. There seems to be a confusion between being
charged/arrested and being found guilty in the minds of many people.

Craig



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-----Original Message-----

From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Lee Hinman
Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2007 5:43 AM
To: Eric Marden
Cc: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Wireless IP leads to arrest.. (UNCLASSIFIED)

Ahh yes, MAC address may be tied to hardware, but you can also change
it. He could have been framed!

- Lee Hinman

* Eric Marden <security () xentek net> [2007-10-10 09:01:05 -0400]:

Your Mac Address is tied to the hardware - anywhere you connect would
get 
it. The ISP may not see it, but the local router surely will.


Eric Marden
xentek: enlightened internet solutions
http://xentek.net/

On Oct 9, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Nic Stevens wrote:

How would the ISP know the mac address? I can't see my mac address
from
my server located elsewhere. Once I leave home my mac address doesn't
follow.

Chinea, Jose L. Jr. (Contractor) wrote:
Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

This one is simple!  The media has no idea what it is talking about!
How
many times do we hear on the media terminology that makes no sense
at
all!?!?!?!  More than likely they tracked IP to an ISP and then
demanded 
the
ISP to reliquish the MAC address to username being used at that time

(every
ISP has a username and password in order to access their resources).

Also,
if there was a 5 year investigation already going on, they may have 
already
known of the hacker's location and narrowed down any monitoring to a

single
subnet on the ISP's network.

just a theory.... but this is probably what happened and the media
didn't
know how to word it


Luis
Computer Systems Analyst II



-----Original Message-----
From: cobrajet [mailto:uby500 () yahoo com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:12 PM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Wireless IP leads to arrest..


Hi Guys,

I am sorry for the delay in getting you more info on this (I was 
traveling).
Here's the story as it appears on the web and for the life of me I
can't
fathom what damning electronic evidence they used to arrest this
guy? 
..or
for that matter what the crime was (a criminal opinion?)

"Type of Investigation: Forgery and Identity Theft; Date and Time: 
3/25/06
at 1:00 pm; Location: V/Fredonia; Subject(s): xxxxxxxx, of Rock
Hill, SC;
Charges: Forgery 3rd, Identity Theft 3rd; Court: C/Dunkirk; Details
of 
the
Incident: A five-month investigation concluded in the arrest of
above
subject.  It is alleged that the above subject opened a yahoo email 
address
with the name of the victim. The subject then sent a politically
charged
editorial letter to the Observer in the name of the victim.  This
letter 
was
published.  An investigation into the opened yahoo profile and the
sender 
of
the letter showed internet addresses that came back to the above 
subject's
addresses in South Carolina and Fredonia.  The subject was issued 
appearance
tickets for the above charges and will appear in the C/Dunkirk Court
at a
later date.  This incident was investigated by the Chautauqua County
Sheriff's Office by Inv. Lawrence S. Klajbor."


How could they arrest someone using an IP address alone without
siezing 
or
analyzing anything? How could they determine (from many states away)
who 
did
what on a wireless PC network without supporting forensics or misc
investiagting evidence?

I was curious as to your comments/clarity nbecause this looks very
odd to
me.






security-35 wrote:

Maybe it was IP + Mac Address of the Wireless NIC?

Where's the full story (link)?


Eric Marden
xentek: enlightened internet solutions http://xentek.net/

On Oct 6, 2007, at 11:03 AM, cobrajet wrote:


How can this be possibile?

A man in WNY was arrested and sentenced to a year in jail over an
email with the sole piece of evidence being an IP address? (- and
a
wirless IP address at that?! -) How can they determine from an IP
address who in the house or on a network is actually on the
computer?

Can anyone explain this to me?8-O
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