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Re: How the password could be recover using FTP Explorer's registry!
From: mm290b () NIH GOV (Mark D. Miller)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:48:17 -0500


Actually, this is not an example of insecurity on a user friendly platform.
The Voice Print Password is an alternate password method.  The primary is
the password you type in.  When the voice print password is used, it uses
the typed password to decrypt the keychain.  Since everyone's voice is
unique, there shouldn't be any worry as to security.

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From: Roger Fajman <RAF () CU NIH GOV>
Reply-To: IT Security Information <IT-SECURITY () LIST NIH GOV>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:32:09 -0500
To: IT-SECURITY () LIST NIH GOV
Subject: Re: How the password could be recover using FTP Explorer's registry!

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Date:         Mon, 28 Feb 2000 04:47:07 -0500
From: Jeffrey Paul <sneak () DATAVIBE NET>
Subject:      Re: How the password could be recover using FTP Explorer's
registry!
To: BUGTRAQ () SECURITYFOCUS COM

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I've been thinking about this issue for a while now regarding Mac OS
9.0.... The "Multiple Users" feature allows different people (up to
40) to use the same machine while keeping preferences and
configuration files and such seperate.  It has a feature that allows
a user to use a 'voiceprint login', that lets you speak a phrase
instead of typing in a password.  It matches it to your 'voiceprint'
(created earlier using four recordings of you speaking the phrase)
and logs you in if it deems a match.

Apple also includes a feature in Mac OS 9.0 called the 'Keychain', a
secure repository for storing passwords in applications that support
the keychain API.  Examples include email clients, filesharing
clients, etc.  The keychain uses 'strong' encryption (I don't have
the details handy, websearch should turn up proper information), but
here's the kicker... when you login using your voiceprint password,
it unlocks (makes passwords available for retrieval) the keychain.
Obviously, setting your keychain password to something other than the
multiple users password for the account would fix this (it prompts
for keychain password after login), but this is not the default
behavior. I am wondering how the keychain is decrypted if you login
with a voiceprint instead of a password, as it is not recieving the
key from the user, so the decryption key for the keychain would have
to be stored somewhere on the harddrive. In this case, it would be
the same as the multiple users password, so the multiple users
password must not be properly one-way'd, but simply masked or
possibly even stored in plaintext.....

Just another example of "insecurity in the name of user friendliness", I
guess.


-j


<snip>
Passwords _cannot_ securely be stored locally without encrypting them
with another password that the user must enter.

Even if a "good" crypto algorithm is used, the key to unlock the
"password repository" must be stored somewhere.
Hopefully this is in the user's brain, but since most users cry foul
when they have to remember passwords, this usuall gets stored on the
same insecure hard drive that the "encrypted" secrets are stored,
all in the name of user friendliness.

When the key for decrypting the password repository gets stored,
all you need to do is go find the key and then you can go read all
the passwords.

Let me reiterate: IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO STORE COMPLETE SECRETS ON
THE LOCAL COMPUTER IF THE LOCAL COMPUTER CANNOT BE TRUSTED.

Solution: Don't write apps that store passwords on the local computer
without using another password to encrypt them.

Workaround: Disable all "remember this password for me" checkboxes
that keep cropping up in all sorts of apps

/Mike



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