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RE: Popular Net anonymity service back-doored
From: "Drew Copley" <dcopley () eeye com>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:29:16 -0700

-----Original Message-----
From: Aron Nimzovitch [mailto:crypto () clouddancer com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:42 PM
To: thomas.greene () theregister co uk
Cc: fw () deneb enyo de; bugtraq () securityfocus com; 
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Subject: Re: Popular Net anonymity service back-doored

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   From: "Thomas C. Greene " <thomas.greene () theregister co uk>
   Organization: The Register

   Leaving a hint in the source and waiting for someone to 
call them on it may be 
   a legal strategem, but it's not a good way of maintaining user

Only a fool would blindly depend on someone else's software 
to gain anonymity without examining the code.  

Why stop at anonymity software? 

What about all software?

If you need 
anonymity, then you should easily be willing to invest sweat 
equity, or have a contractual arrangement when the threat is 
only financial.  For more serious threats requiring 
anonymity, not reviewing the source when it is available 
seems beyond stupid.  I could unserstand your ire if you were 
one of our clients, but this was a free service wasn't it?


So, then, if I gave you free code which was trojanized for my own
interests, you deserve to be trojanized?

I fail to see the reasoning behind this.

Perhaps, in your isolating anonymity software from all other types of
software you have come up with this conclusion. But, that is an
artificial wall, so I do not see why that should even be considered.

In fact, this is a bit like me going around and beating people up and
then saying, "What a fool you are, you should have been working out two
hours a day every other day like I do".

Who reasons like this?

Look, if you don't want to condemn these actions, great. You have a
right to do that. Just be sure and don't condemn anyone if you ever run
their software and get trojanized because you did not bother to
carefully examine the source. 

As for me, I will condemn this thing, as I would not do it to someone
else, and I would not like it to be done to me... Regardless of the type
of software it is.

What other software has the German police trojanized? Is it just this?

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