Bugtraq: Re: Heterogeneity as a form of obscurity, and its usefulness

[Crispin Cowan <crispin () immunix com>]

Bob Rogers wrote:

>   Heterogeneity increases survivability of the *species*, but does little 
>   to protect the individual . . .
> I don't think that stands up, at least not for digital species.  I can
> run Apache on Linux/x86, for which tons of shellcode is available, or I
> can run the same version of Apache on Linux/sparc, for which much less
> is available, and exists within a smaller and more specialized
> community....
>
>   . . . At most, you could say that running the most common system
>   makes you somewhat more vulnerable to attack, and you should take
>   that into consideration when planning your security.
These statements seem to agree. Is there a point?

> Yes; and it would be interesting (though probably difficult) to quantify
> that.
It is difficult to quantify just about any security benefit.

>   So heterogeneity is really just security by obscurity, dressed up to
>   sound pretty . . .
>
> Seems to me that obscurity is the *only* defence against exploits for
> unpublished/unpatched vulnerabilities that are spreading in the cracker
> community; if you can avoid being a target, by whatever means, then you
> are ahead of the game.
Now that is just not true. All of the technologies in the previous 
thread (StackGuard, PointGuard, ProPolice, PaX, W^X, etc.) have some 
capacity to resist attacks based on unpublished/unpatched 
vulnerabilities. That is their entire purpose.
Crispin

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