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RE: Vulnerabilities in some SCADA server softwares
From: Jim Harrison <Jim () isatools org>
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:43:38 +0000

Michal,

First; while I agree with your statement regarding the overuse of car analogies, the comparison is accurate and fair in 
this case.  The vendor's customers are now potentially at greater risk because of this announcement that includes no 
mitigation.

Second; I fundamentally disagree with the idea that public disclosure as a means of vendor notification serves any 
purpose beyond tooting one's own horn and causing a panic state for the application vendor and users.  Anyone who 
honestly believes that the "bad guys" are not watching the same lists where the "good guys" are communicating is 
operating far too close to a famous Egyptian river.  IMHO, "public disclosure" only serves to increase the threat for 
the vendor's customers.

Third; it is in lists exactly like this on where opinions on security matters and behaviors may be aired (to a degree; 
that's what moderators and common sense are for).  While it's true that a person will act as he sees fit, you may also 
reasonably expect that differing opinions on that behavior will be expressed when the opinions are as polarized as in 
the responsible vs. public disclosure debate.

HTH,
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Michal Zalewski [mailto:lcamtuf () coredump cx] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 2:24 PM
To: J. Oquendo
Cc: Luigi Auriemma; bugtraq () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Vulnerabilities in some SCADA server softwares

Analogy: Car owner has his car speed up ending up in almost near 
catastrophe. Car owner goes to media outlets condemning the
manufacturer: "How could you be so reckless! Thousand of lives..."
Reality: Car manufacturer was never made aware of the issue. How do 
you propose a manufacturer fix an issue?

Yes, the discussion definitely needed a car analogy...

The author decided to follow a particular route, probably not out of malice, but because he believes that his 
responsibilities to inform the public outweigh the responsibility to assist the vendor. You wouldn't do the same, but 
you haven't discovered these bugs.

Unless your view is that you would rather not know about about security problems at all, than see a disclosure mode you 
do not agree with, I do not think it's fair to lash out against the reporter; and it's not particularly fitting to do 
so on BUGTRAQ.

/mz


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