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Re: APT
From: Wim Remes <wremes () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 17:55:51 +0000

Lieutenant-General Van Riper agrees :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

"[The Red Force, led by Van Riper] adopted an
asymmetric<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare> strategy,
in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic
surveillance <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance> network. Van Riper
used motorcycle <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle>messengers to
transmit orders to front-line troops and World War II light signals to
launch airplanes without radio communications."

Cheers,
Wim

PS : hat tip to @indi303 for reminding me of that Millenium Challenge.



On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:

 So the thing about being advanced enough is that you don't really have to
be persistent in any normal sense of the word. Nobody has pointed out how
the first stage of the NSA shellcode (as leaked by "backgrounded by the
Constitution and definitely not at all a narcissist" Snowden) just avoids
executing anything on systems protected by HIPS. Imagine if you were so
good at your job you could ignore targets you already had execution on if
you felt even a *little bit* queasy about their defense.

Look, Richard Beitlitch thinks I don't know anything about 
"Strategy"<http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-limits-of-tool-and-tactics-centric.html>.
This may be true! But on the other hand, sometimes just outshooting your
opponent <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G02FiZNbZHY> everywhere you
engage them is a pretty decent strategy. And that comes down to "Tools,
Tactics and Procedures" on the ground. Speaking of which - INNUENDO is
going to be 1.0 Beta today because I can't find any more bugs in it. :>

-dave


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