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Re: Late Friday thoughts on the Kevin Mandia RSAC keynote.
From: "J. Oquendo" <joquendo () e-fensive net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:30:06 -0500
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Richard Bejtlich wrote:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Moses Hernandez <moses () moses io> wrote:
Quick Q: You referring to this particular statement (I paused it):
Highlights - Technical
- In over 97% of the 2,672 separate APT1 intrusions Mandiant observed (into 141 companies), APT1 used IP addresses
registered in Shanghai.
So that statement tells me that those are just the APT1 intrusions not all of the Mandiant referenced intrusions.
APT1 itself is said to use IP addresses registered in Shanghai. Is that by itself clever misdirection? Maybe. Are
there other 'APT' style groups that go undetected from various nations?
Moses is right. Dave misunderstood what Kevin said. Also, APT1 is only
one of two dozen or so Chinese groups Mandiant tracks. We also track
With all due respect to your researchers, colleagues, etc,
I took your APT1 data, ran it through all sorts of analysis'
all sorts of recon and I could not for the life of my come
to the same conclusions that you guys did.
All your data run through Sentinel Analysis
There is no voodoo, dirty tricks there, its all recorded
for all to see. Here is a mind map of all of Mandiant's
70% plus, were mapped to one industry, not CN government.
Did you guys (Mandiant) omit some secret sauce, because I
still have a difficult time piecing together how - outside
of an IP address, and one name (UglyGorilla) - you guys
can even attribute this to CN gov.
SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP, CPT, RWSP, GREM
"Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of
real peace" - Dalai Lama
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