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Re: Late Friday thoughts on the Kevin Mandia RSAC keynote.
From: Richard Bejtlich <taosecurity () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:14:40 -0400

I'm glad you thought it worthwhile to analyze whatever you analyzed,
but after our report was public, the heads of the House and Senate
Intel Committees, NSA, and others I won't name, said Mandiant got the
attribution correct.

Sincerely,

Richard

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM, J. Oquendo <joquendo () e-fensive net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Richard Bejtlich wrote:

On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Moses Hernandez <moses () moses io> wrote:
Dave,
  Quick Q: You referring to this particular statement (I paused it):

Highlights - Technical
- In over 97% of the 2,672 separate APT1 intrusions Mandiant observed (into 141 companies), APT1 used IP addresses 
registered in Shanghai.

So that statement tells me that those are just the APT1 intrusions not all of the Mandiant referenced intrusions. 
APT1 itself is said to use IP addresses registered in Shanghai. Is that by itself clever misdirection? Maybe. Are 
there other 'APT' style groups that go undetected from various nations?

Moses is right. Dave misunderstood what Kevin said. Also, APT1 is only
one of two dozen or so Chinese groups Mandiant tracks. We also track
Russians, etc.


With all due respect to your researchers, colleagues, etc,
I took your APT1 data, ran it through all sorts of analysis'
all sorts of recon and I could not for the life of my come
to the same conclusions that you guys did.

All your data run through Sentinel Analysis
http://www.infiltrated.net/aptredux/

There is no voodoo, dirty tricks there, its all recorded
for all to see. Here is a mind map of all of Mandiant's
data:

http://infiltrated.net/straggler-f211596a8ac0cac13983ad2b98a71108/straggler-mapped.html

70% plus, were mapped to one industry, not CN government.
Did you guys (Mandiant) omit some secret sauce, because I
still have a difficult time piecing together how - outside
of an IP address, and one name (UglyGorilla) - you guys
can even attribute this to CN gov.



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