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Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation
From: "Williams, Charles" <CWilliams () BEN EDU>
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:02:35 +0000

I have been following this with interest because the topic is near and dear to my heart.  The point that Marty is 
making is very apt to the discussion.  I have had members of my staff say exactly this -- I have nothing to hide.  They 
are a little less sanguine when I as questions like:

Do you want your spouse to be able to access this information?  We don't even have ascribe nefarious motives here.  
It's as simple as not being able to buy a surprise present for one's spouse.

Do you want your employer or your boss to be able to access this data?

The last line reminds me of a great historical example -- the French Revolution, remember Madam Defarge and her 
knitting in "A Tale of Two Cities?"  I know, it's fiction but she represents the effects.

--Randy

Charles R. Williams 
Chief Information Officer 
Benedictine University 
5700 College Road 
Lisle, ILĀ  60532

630-829-6025

-----Original Message-----
From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Manjak, 
Martin
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:55 PM
To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
Subject: Re: [SECURITY] TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation

Good article. 

One thing that always strikes me about the people who believe they have nothing to fear from such all-encompassing 
surveillance as practiced by the likes of the NSA is that, ultimately, they fail to realize they won't be the ones who 
get to decide whether or not they have anything to hide.

One of the grand objectives of the NSA's surveillance, storage, and analysis capabilities is the ability to build 
networks of associations. So, even if you don't have "anything to hide," can you vouch for all your associates, and 
their associates, and so on?

I'm afraid that one of the more insistent lessons of history is that when heads start to roll,  those purges acquire a 
madness and momentum that cuts a very wide swath before they exhaust themselves. 
 

Marty Manjak
ISO
University at Albany


-----Original Message-----
From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of David 
Escalante
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:04 PM
To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
Subject: Re: [SECURITY] TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation

Interesting piece just came out on this sort of thing on another list I'm on....

http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/writers/mark-rasch/dont-spy-on-me-id-rather-be-safe

--
David Escalante


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