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Re: IDS testing methodologies
From: "Stephen P. Berry" <spb () meshuggeneh net>
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:11:55 -0800

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Alvin Oga writes:

in my book ... ( small world ) .. an IDS is not very useful, because, the
cracker is already in your network ... game over ...

I couldn't agree less.

If the history of information security has taught us anything, it is that
any system can be compromised, and that any code---OS, application, script,
or whathaveyou---will eventually be found to contain exploitable bugs.

What does this tell us?  It tells us that relying entirely on prevention
is not a long-term survivable strategy.  Any sane information security
policy must (with the exception of a few goofy border cases) rely on:

        -Prevention (keeping the bad guys out)
        -Auditing (situational awareness)
        -Containment (controlling the failure mode and limiting exposure)
        -Remediation (damage control after the fact)

To rely on anything else is to rely on voodoo and wishful thinking.

I won't bore the list with a more long-winded discussion of this point,
but it strikes me that working as a wee sysadminling back in the days
where your MTA -was- sendmail(8) and your DNS -was- bind was probably
very good at teaching some of us the importance of not relying entirely
on prevention as a security strategy.  It's now, what, fifteen years
after the Morris worm?

Whenever I hear a security professional talk about a compromise being `game
over', I wonder what they -do-.



- -spb

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