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The Death Of TCP/IP [OT]
From: full-disclosure () lists netsys com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:12:09 -0600

Interesting article but I think he is wrong.  Pallidium (I keep wanting
to spell it Playdium - you know the big arcades in the movie
theatres...) is starting to look more like an anti-piracy campaign than
it is security.  The true test is going to be how Pallidium compliant
hardware will react to non-Pallidium operating systems.  

In the article the guy talks about "TCP/MS" -- this will never work.  MS
owns the home and corporate desktops, but there are way too many legacy
boxes on the Internet and way too many legacy applications that require
*NIX boxes to run.  What does this mean?  This means that TCP/IP can
never be replaced until these applications are replaced.  This is
something that isn't going to happen for a very long time if at all.

Even if the whole TCP/MS thing came to be, what is going to stop people
from simply keeping their legacy TCP/IP networks and ignore MS boxes?  I
highly doubt anyone on this mailing list depends on MSN or any MS
product to use the Internet (strangely enough I am typing this on an XP
box...arrrgh).  MS is taking a huge step toward becoming completely
proprietary.....hasn't history taught them how successful proprietary
systems have been?

One interesting thing that no one seems to have mentioned - the Intel
CPU Serial # that caused an uproar a few years back.  They exist,
disabled by default in the BIOS, but I am willing to bet that this will
be a key part in Palladium -- MS is going to need a way to identify each
computer -- so that means either MAC addresses (which have proven to
have duplicates and can be easily spoofed) or CPU ID # / Serial #.

Hello.....big brother.........

Of course this is mostly speculation but time will tell.  I for one
cannot wait for more complete technical details.


Steve Manzuik
Founder & Technical Lead
Entrench Technologies

Moderator - VulnWatch


-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com 
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Len Rose
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:24 PM
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Subject: [Full-disclosure] The Death Of TCP/IP [OT]

Check out this article on PBS: 
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020> 627.html


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