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RE: FW: The U.S. should not invade Iraq at this time
From: "Simon Lorentsen" <lost () stryk freeserve co uk>
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:21:54 -0000

Is this a security list or a war opinion list ?

I can't see the relevance of your mail in regards to anything remotely
to do with security, maybe you can put me in the right direction.....

Simon Lorentsen.

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From: Jason Coombs [mailto:jasonc () science org]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:50 AM
To: president () whitehouse gov
Subject: The U.S. should not invade Iraq at this time

Mr. President:

The U.S. should not invade Iraq at this time.

Instead we should send a clear and simple message around the world to
person mature enough to comprehend this message:

"Civilize yourselves or you will be civilized by force."

This, after all, is the real message behind your current policies.

Your current policies are making civilized people angry at the U.S. --
is the wrong strategy and it is backfiring.

The U.N. is already able to rally behind us in our steadfast assertion
the world can no longer permit uncivilized regimes because they foster
support international terrorism and those risks are extreme. Terrorists
only begun to experiment with weapons of mass destruction; the real
lies in the future when every school child has the tools and the talent
necessary to create biological pathogens.

We must give the U.N. the opportunity to prove that its core mission is
spread of civilization and the unification of the will of earth's people
force civilization on those who reject and wish to destroy it.

This means we must lead by example and be the first among equals of the

There would be no weakness in coming right out and saying that this is
position and our expectation of the U.N. but there is great weakness in
pushing the world to war based on a false pretense of disarming a single
rogue nation.

We should not, and must not, stop at civilizing Iraq. We must also
any who choose to reject civilization; those who adopt and encourage
politics and religious beliefs that revolve around hate and destruction;
those who seek to advance credos of plainly uncivilized behavior.

To these people our message must be made perfectly clear:

"Civilize yourselves, or lose your right to self-determination."

The risk associated with this strategy is a repeat of history:

We must prevent the recurrence of self-interested empire-building and
nations and peoples who seek to become civilized choose their own path
retain their freedom of self-determination.

We must help the world understand the future risk of uncivilized regimes
pockets of uncivilized society within civilized nations. The threat
posed by
the uncivilized to our future generations is grossly misunderstood and

Destroying a single enemy cannot win this war. Alienating other
people in the process of fighting a single enemy accomplishes only one
thing: the spread of resistance to efforts aimed at globalizing

'Civilization' is not defined by gross domestic product, mechanical and
technical infrastructure developed around a dependence on fossil fuels,
other artifacts of the path to civilization that we have chosen.

If we must destroy Iraq in order to rebuild it, we have an historic
obligation to set into motion a self-perpetuating system of technical
industrial change that centers around new hydrogen energy economies with
universal access to broadband digital communications and personal

We have the ability to give these gifts of real liberty to the people
who we
would presume to civilize. This means building for them the factories
technologies necessary to leapfrog our own definition of civilization
something that is better, at least in terms of its technical and
underpinnings. Doing anything else simply increases the size of our
base which results in oppression for those that we conquer and employ.


Jason Coombs
jasonc () science org


Soros Predicts Brief War Rally
Fri March 14, 2003 02:16 AM ET
By Reed Stevenson

SEATTLE (Reuters) - George Soros, the outspoken billionaire hedge fund
investor and philanthropist, said a short and decisive victory in Iraq
provide brief economic relief, but warned Thursday that U.S. military
is creating a dangerous "bubble of American supremacy."

"Removing the uncertainty (about a war in Iraq) would be a positive for
stock market and the economy. A reduction in the price of oil would be a
major positive," Soros said at an event sponsored by the anti-poverty
Global Partnerships in Seattle.

Hungarian-born Soros, renowned for his bet against the British pound
ejected it from Europe's single-currency launch, said a nascent economic
recovery could be choked by increased spending, which is fueling a
government deficit.

"The deficit policy that we are now pursuing is a very dangerous one.
Not in
the near term -- because as long as the economy is languishing there is
negative effect on interest rates. But the moment the economy shows
signs of
life, interest rates would jump because of the budget deficit and choke
the recovery," Soros said.

He lashed out at President Bush's preparations for war with Iraq,
his argument published in several newspaper editorials this week that
Bush administration's willingness to use military power to assert U.S.
dominance is creating a backlash that is feeding on itself.

"The current pursuit of American supremacy reminds me of the boom-bust
process, or a stock market bubble," Soros said.

"A rogue regime like Saddam Hussein's does pose a threat to the rest of
world. ... But military force must remain a last resort and it must have
some basis of legitimacy," Soros said.

The United States and Britain failed on Thursday to win support for a
Security Council resolution to authorize a looming invasion of Iraq, as
U.S. military beefs up its presence in the Middle East in preparation

Bush's closest ally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, is facing strong
anti-war sentiment in his country, while France remains steadfastly
to a U.N.-sanctioned ultimatum.

"Whatever the outcome in Iraq, I dare to predict that the Bush policies
bound to fail," Soros said.

Soros said that the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States have made it
difficult for political opponents and public figures to voice opposition
Bush's policy on Iraq.

"I believe that President Bush is leading the United States and the
world in
the wrong direction, and I consider nothing short of tragic that the
terrorist threat has induced the country to line up behind him so
uncritically," Soros said.

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