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Re: I'm calling for LycosEU heads and team to resign or be sacked
From: Bart.Lansing () kohls com
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:33:01 -0600


full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com wrote on 12/03/2004 07:50:36 PM:

And if the spammers don't like my packets being sent to their system,
all they have to do is send me a polite e-mail asking to be removed
from my flood-list. It is really quite simple!

Wow.  Obviously you are not responsible for authorizing payment to 
transit
providers and have no idea how much bandwidth actually might cost an
organization on a perMonth/perMeg basis.  This would have never had any
SERIOUS effect on backbone providers but many of their customers who 
don't
even KNOW they  have someone generating spam from their network would
unfortunately see a great deal of money lost.

Why don't you go physically assault a spammer.  Do you physically 
assault
door-to-door solicitors or do you have a sign on your front porch.

I see...now someone has decided that hyperbole is just what we need...by 
all means let's equate trying to bog a spammer's systems down with 
physical assault.  You can go away now.

Obviously spam costs all of us $ in some form or another but incurring
rapidly generated expenses for non-responsible parties to me seems a bit
cruel.  Do you assault the mailman for delivering junkmail that 
companies
actually pay the USPS to deliver?

See above reference to going away...or else find coherent and valid 
analogies...thanks for playing.

/m

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Smith" <tatercrispies () gmail com>
To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm calling for LycosEU heads and team to
resign or be sacked


I think heads should roll over this. I think its the worst act a
corporation has ever undertaken in the history of the internet.

So speaketh n3td3v, prohpet, visionary, lord and leader of Full
Disclosure.

The Internet has always been about vigilante justice. Aside from
exceptionally egregious cases of wrongdoing, like sexually explicit
material with children, fraud, or flagrant piracy, the Internet exists
and operates beyond the boundaries of any one nation's laws. It is up
to the people to self regulate.

We have tried politely reasoning with spammers, we have tried ignoring
spammers, we have tried _suing_ spammers. We've leisurely worked our
way down the tree and are well past any sort of rational recourse. Now
people are willing to resort to brute retaliation.

When you sign on to the Internet, you accept this implicitly, to some
degree or another.  If you screw up, people will blackhole you, flood
you, or isolate you. Spammers have been  lapping us in the face for
too long, and now the Internet reacts and fights back.

Everyone who downloaded that screensaver did so intentionally, this
wasn't a trojan operating behind the scenes. The participants were
willing combatants. The engine for the battle happened to come from
Lycos this time, but there have been other efforts in the past as
well.

And if the spammers don't like my packets being sent to their system,
all they have to do is send me a polite e-mail asking to be removed
from my flood-list. It is really quite simple!

-Taters

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