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RE: A suggestion to all AV vendors...
From: "Todd Towles" <toddtowles () brookshires com>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:28:24 -0600

Not exactly true..it is called freedom...drinking is bad for you when
you take too much..but so are some vitamins are bad for you when you
take too much...let the government tax cigs, if you don't want to buy
the tax, don't buy them. Again we are way OT.

Never go to excess, but let moderation be your guide. 
Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC) 

Water, taken in moderation, cannot hurt anybody. 
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) 

-Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com 
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of 
Kenneth Ng
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:34 AM
To: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Cc: bipin gautam; full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] A suggestion to all AV vendors...

If you want an analogy, note that the US government says that 
smoking is bad for you.  Yet, they won't ban smoking.  Why?  
All the revenue they get from taxing cigerettes.


On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:50:11 -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu 
<Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:29:26 PST, bipin gautam said:

      A simple yet effective solution would be, for AV vendors to 
(say) add the vulnerable system dll's, execudables etc... in a 
threat list (Refering to Microsoft's KB or something similar) And 
after completing the virus scan, suggest the users to download 
proper patches accordingly to threat level and directing the end 
users towards  proper link to do so?

Simple, effective, and Won't Happen In Our Lifetime.

Remember - we're talking about a multi-billion dollar 
market segment 
devoted to fixing shortcomings in another company's software.  And 
said segment doesn't want to kill the goose that laid the 
golden eggs.

Repeat after me:  Most A/V vendors don't actually give a 
squat about 
your security.  They are there to sell you products and 
improve their 
bottom line, not yours.  They don't care about your bottom line as 
long as your bottom line can still pay their invoices.

The A/V vendors have known for several years now exactly how not to 
send "a virus was cleaned from your email by ShinyAV" spam, 
but they 
keep doing it anyhow, just to get brainshare for ShinyAV.  What 
business case is there for them to give you a pointer to vendor 
patches that will close some of the holes that let the malware in?

(Also, keep in mind that if they don't point you at IE fixes, then 
when you get 0wned by an IE hole, they can just say "Hey, 
that's not a 
virus, that's an IE hole, Not Our Problem"...)




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