Full Disclosure: RE: A suggestion to all AV vendors...

["Todd Towles" <toddtowles () brookshires com>]

Not exactly true..it is called freedom...drinking is bad for you when
you take too much..but so are some vitamins are bad for you when you
take too much...let the government tax cigs, if you don't want to buy
the tax, don't buy them. Again we are way OT.

Never go to excess, but let moderation be your guide. 
Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC) 

Water, taken in moderation, cannot hurt anybody. 
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) 

-Todd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com 
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of 
> Kenneth Ng
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:34 AM
> To: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
> Cc: bipin gautam; full-disclosure () lists netsys com
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] A suggestion to all AV vendors...
>
> If you want an analogy, note that the US government says that 
> smoking is bad for you.  Yet, they won't ban smoking.  Why?  
> All the revenue they get from taxing cigerettes.
>
>
> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:50:11 -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu 
> <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:29:26 PST, bipin gautam said:
> >
> > >       A simple yet effective solution would be, for AV vendors to 
> > > (say) add the vulnerable system dll's, execudables etc... in a 
> > > threat list (Refering to Microsoft's KB or something similar) And 
> > > after completing the virus scan, suggest the users to download 
> > > proper patches accordingly to threat level and directing the end 
> > > users towards  proper link to do so?
> > Simple, effective, and Won't Happen In Our Lifetime.
> >
> > Remember - we're talking about a multi-billion dollar 
> market segment 
> > devoted to fixing shortcomings in another company's software.  And 
> > said segment doesn't want to kill the goose that laid the 
> golden eggs.
> > Repeat after me:  Most A/V vendors don't actually give a 
> squat about 
> > your security.  They are there to sell you products and 
> improve their 
> > bottom line, not yours.  They don't care about your bottom line as 
> > long as your bottom line can still pay their invoices.
> >
> > The A/V vendors have known for several years now exactly how not to 
> > send "a virus was cleaned from your email by ShinyAV" spam, 
> but they 
> > keep doing it anyhow, just to get brainshare for ShinyAV.  What 
> > business case is there for them to give you a pointer to vendor 
> > patches that will close some of the holes that let the malware in?
> >
> > (Also, keep in mind that if they don't point you at IE fixes, then 
> > when you get 0wned by an IE hole, they can just say "Hey, 
> that's not a 
> > virus, that's an IE hole, Not Our Problem"...)
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