Home page logo
/

fulldisclosure logo Full Disclosure mailing list archives

Re: Question for DNS pros
From: Nick FitzGerald <nick () virus-l demon co uk>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:58:15 +1200

Paul Schmehl wrote:

Well, no, because that wouldn't solve the problem.

A host on our network is being queried quite regularly on udp/53 by other 
hosts. A review of the packets reveals that these other hosts believe that 
our host is a dns server.  (AAMOF the IP address isn't even in use at the 
present time.)

OK, given this extra information, I see you are making one huge 
assumption...

Now, if you do a reverse lookup for that IP, *our* DNS servers, which are 
authoritative for our network will tell you what the hostname is.  But that 
isn't what I want to know.  Obviously, a simple dig -x IP will tell me that.

What I want to know is *why* do these "foreign" hosts think an IP on my 
network is serving DNS when there's not even a host at that address.

I think you're assuming that a remote host should only consider this IP 
of yours as a DNS server _if_ that information is _in the DNS, 
somewhere_, hence your query -- you're trying to work out how to find 
out what part of the DNS thinks this IP of yours is a DNS server.

I can think of two possibilities:

1) At some time in the past, a host *was* serving DNS at that address and 
some "foreign" hosts have cached the address.
2) Someone somewhere has registered a domain and used our IP address for 
one of their "nameservers" in the registration.

(If anyone can think of other explanations, please let me know.)

I can think of another...

Several recent malwares (mostly mass-mailing viruses, but some others 
too) have hard-coded lists of various servers to fall back on if local 
(i.e. local to the compromised/victim host) fails.  When we first 
started to see this tactic (several years ago) it tended to be SMTP 
servers running open relays (or at least, the largest internal-to- 
external-relaying SMTP servers at the largest ISPs).  Usually these 
lists were used if MX lookup for a target address failed or other 
transmission difficulties presented themselves (outgoing connections on 
port 25 failed because of firewall rules, etc), or (particularly before 
the mass-mailers did MX) if simply guessing "smtp.<domain>", 
"mail.<domain>", etc as the likely MX of a target domain failed.  More 
recently, as proper MX resolution has become more common in these 
malwares' mailing engines, so has inclusion of lists of "known 
promiscuous" DNS servers, presumably in the expectation that MX for 
more target domains will be resolved than simply relying on the 
victim's default DNS.

If your IP was in one of these lists (perhaps because of a typo or its 
nefarious inclusion in some commonly distributed list of promiscuous 
DNS servers) you could see requests from all over the place asking for 
all manner of target hosts (assuming that the malware writers actually 
get their DNS querying code right!).  If the malware in question were 
doing this for MX reasons (by far the most common use to date) you 
would, of course, expect to see whatever DNS query or sequence of 
queries is normal for getting MX information, but now we are getting 
out of area fo expertise.  Of course, all manner of other nefarious 
malware-related purposes besides self-mailing could be tied into such 
behaviour, so not seeing MX requests does not mean that this type of 
explanation is incorrect...


-- 
Nick FitzGerald
Computer Virus Consulting Ltd.
Ph/FAX: +64 3 3529854

_______________________________________________
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html


  By Date           By Thread  

Current thread:
[ Nmap | Sec Tools | Mailing Lists | Site News | About/Contact | Advertising | Privacy ]
AlienVault