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Re: Gmail Information Disclosure Vulnerability
From: Tremaine <tremaine () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:22:54 -0600

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:42:14 -0400 (EDT), Eric LeBlanc <inouk () igt net> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, System Outage wrote:

Tremaine <tremaine () gmail com> wrote:
It's about posting security advisories. The initial poster advises
they notified the gmail team, and posted this advisory 10 days later.

It is immaterial whether an application is in alpha, beta or
production. If the software or application is in use outside the
development team, and there is a security issue, it is relevant to
this list.

It's called Full Disclosure for a reason... not partial disclosure,
not disclosure of production applications only... Full Disclosure.

If you want partial disclosure, you may need to rethink your
subscription to the list.

IT Security Consultant

I agree with "System Outage".  Gmail clearly told us that their website is
in BETA stage.

For me, when a software is in 'BETA' (or 'ALPHA'), we SHOULD expect that
this software MAY HAVE security holes.  That's why they want us to test
this site before going to the public release, and it's our job to notify
to the gmail team all bugs AND security holes we may find.  As long as
this website is in beta stage, all advisory that someone may send in this
list or elsewhere are NOT considered 'Security Advisory' for me.

The original author may not receive answers from the Gmail Team, but this
site is NOT IN PRODUCTION.  When gmail site will be official and when this
bug is still there, NOW you can publish your security advisory.

Futhermore, the best people for testing the software (bugs and security
holes) is the public.  They can do many things which we will never
thought or imagined.

BTW, I'm sure that the Gmail developers expect that the public will find
some security holes...

If we must publish all security advisorys about beta software, this list
will be flooded...

Eric LeBlanc
inouk () igt net
UNIX is user friendly.
It's just selective about who its friends are.

I think this may be one of those instances where we'll have to agree
to disagree.  Certainly I would take a dim view if the original poster
hadn't notified gmail in advance of their advisory to FD.  I do not
however believe that beta software that is in wide spread use should
be excluded from public scrutiny and notification.  Gmail was not
released simply to a select few, it has been opened up via gmail
invites to widespread usage, and is being profited from via targetted
commercial advertising.

The advisory also may point towards other coding issues in Google
itself, which can then be investigated based on the information.

Anyhow, as I noted above I think we may just have different uses and
expectations of FD, and I for one don't have an issue like this one
brought out.


IT Security Consultant

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