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Re: Beta Advisories
From: Bart.Lansing () kohls com
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:34:18 -0500

Yes, and the OIS guidelines are thinly veiled "Oh please don't tell the 
world that we have had this bug for 6 months...we'll look bad" methods for 
being able to quash the full disclosure model and take the  pressure of 
"respond to me, get it fixed, or thr world is going to know about it" off 
the vendors.  Do you really think that the vendors will expend resources 
to fix things just because it is "the right thing to do"?   Please tell me 
you're not that naive...please. 

I'm not advocating playing bombs away, sneak attacking a vendor by issuing 
a 0-day disclosure publicly.  I sure as hell am saying that a vendor 
knowing the vuln will in fact be disclosed after a reasonable period of 
time, fixed or not, has certainly motivated more than a few to get the fix 
done prior to taking a public black eye. 

Bart Lansing
Manager, Desktop Services
Kohl's IT

full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com wrote on 07/06/2004 10:47:47 AM:

I don't think it's garbage. I bring up a valid point here.  If you 
must, filter me out.. don't be lazy. 

This brings up the question of guidelines the OIS wish people to follow.


Henrik Persson <nix () syndicalist net> wrote:
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 12:56, System Outage wrote:
If you do a query on the BUGTRAQ archive you'll see no mention of
Gmail and i'm sure that's not because people haven't been atttempting
to post about Gmail , but because the moderators think Gmail is beta.
I bet once Gmail is launched as a public service, the BUGTRAQ
moderators will allow Gmail advisories.

Pherhaps. But this _is_ full-disclosure, not bugtraq. This is FULL

I'm lazy, too lazy to just filter you out. Stop posting garbage,
garbage! ;/

Henrik Persson 

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