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RE: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable
From: Grant Thibdea <shiptar () blazemail com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT)

If we're getting into a discussion of vulns/security issues with the e-voting, ok. The draft is off topic.  But because 
people feel the need to intimidate and lie to our nations youth (this would be me) I wanted to correct this FUD, as 
it's called.

http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:S.89:

http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:

The last action on the draft bill was 6/21/2004. (for those that don't feel like looking)  That's pretty recent!  It 
was Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] withdrawing support for the bill.  The last action before that seems to be.... the 
introduction of the bill.  It's been sitting in committee otherwise. 

Please mail me off list to continue a draft discussion, to share any more sources of information or to trash me.  

My apologies for wasting others bandwidth/time for such a thing. I will not do so again.

--- "Clairmont, Jan M" <jan.m.clairmont () citigroup com> wrote:

Harlan:

http://www.rense.com/general52/fgult.htm

A link to the article about the passed but yet unsigned draft bill.


http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/06/26/election2004/21_17_566_25_04.txt
 
We may not have election if a terrorist attack occurs.

Problems with electronic voting; FYI
http://www.rense.com/general42/dieboldmachinesyield.htm



Jan Clairmont
Firewall Administrator/Consultant


-----Original Message-----
From: Harlan Carvey [mailto:keydet89 () yahoo com]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:26 AM
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Cc: Clairmont, Jan M
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Presidential Candidates' Websites
Vulnerable


Jan,
 
If any issue is more important than electronic
voting I don't
know what it is.  Congress has approved starting in
the Spring
of 2005, the draft, all the way up to 49 years of
age for special skills.

I'm not clear as to what one issue has to do with the
other.  Those in Congress have already been elected,
so what does electronic voting issues have to do with
the military draft.

Also, could you provide a link to information stating
that Congress will be instituting the draft?  I'm
familiar with the news reports about involuntary
call-ups of IRR troops, but all I've been able to
locate on the draft (different issue entirely) seems
to say that this isn't something to worry about:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9049861.htm
http://www.iht.com/articles/527445.html

So...anything you have that's more definitive would be
greatly appreciated.

So we here are now in the fire, both security wise
and on the
firing line in Iraq and the rest of the world as
this war continues to rage.  

To which "war" are you referring?

Since I have 3 sons of draftable age, I am very
concerned about
them and the under 49 crowd who may soon be in harms
way.
Having gone through Vietnam I do not look forward to
the 
future, whether you think war is right of wrong.  So
how can 
we secure the integrity of the voting process and
guarantee the results? 

Again, maybe it's just me, but I'm not seeing the
connection between the supposed draft and the voting
process...

Thanks,

Harlan

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