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Re: MS Security Response is a bunch of half-witted morons
From: jim_walsh () goodyear com
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:09:21 -0500
Your points are well taken and understandable. But if you are supporting
a M$ operating system enough to need to read the SB's, then wouldnt your
IE be up to date to read them? Even if you would just use IE to read M$'s
site? To sit and scream about web design decisions in this mailing group
seems a little childish. And if one was to argue that "Aanyone needs to
read these articles not just people that support M$ OS's", well to
that...most people that have a M$ OS as an end user have auto update
turned on and dont even think twice about it...if they update at all.
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Nick FitzGerald <nick () virus-l demon co uk>
03/11/2004 07:57 PM
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MS Security Response is a bunch of half-witted morons
Try to read Microsoft's latest security epistles:
(And yes, they have retrofitted this "improvement" to _all_ previous
Earth to MSRP:
1. Your job is to improve security.
2. Two years ago Billy Boy charged the whole of the company to
straighten up its act as regards security.
3. MS Security Bulletins were "improved" about 24-30 months ago by a
web design team that clearly does not have an ounce of security smarts
among its entire membership. That "improvement" (_purely_ aesthetic,
and highly debatable anyway) made the bulletins unreadable in IE unless
you are prepared to trust MS and its web presence providers (I'm not
for various reasons -- the company as whole is just far too large and
"attractive" a target; there have been some very bad whoops-es with
Akamai and the Nimda virus; etc). Anyway, that "improvement" was the
final straw that moved me to using Mozilla as my browser of choice, as
it rendered that "improved" form of your pages fine, _and_ with
scripting and the like disabled.
4. Now the Security Bulletins have been "improved" even further,
What in the blue blazes is between the ears of your web development
folk? Have they forgotten that the venerable HREF tag can work without
scripting, ActiveX and all manner of other popular but unnecessary cr*p
that web designers can't seem to ignore? When it comes to security
bulletins, f*ck art -- give me _readable content_.
A few weeks back some online magazine editor was asking for clear,
reasoned arguments that "Microsoft just doesn't get security".
Arguments be damned -- if you have two security clues you only have to
look at MS' own security web pages to _see_ that "Microsoft just
doesn't get security".
TCI is clearly a media and PR circus.
(In case the magazine editor and his conspirator still do not get the
point of the above, Microsoft has no business dictating _my_ or _anyone
else's_ security policies. This is as fundamental an aspect of
security as there is. Posting its security bulletins in a format that
requires their readers to set their browsers to a configuration that is
acknowledged to be _severely security lowering_, while maintaining that
it is doing everything possible to improve the security of its
products, is the height of hypocrisy and clearly makes a lie of its
public proclamations that it is working to further improve security.)
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