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Re: Re: Microsoft Security, baby steps ?
From: "Random Letters" <randomisedletters () hotmail com>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:12:58 +0000

Who are these people who install 'desktop trinkets' and X window managers? You sound as though you're speaking from direct experience.

Give us some examples of desktop trinkets installed on webservers.

You sound a bit too smug to me.

If you're happy and you know it clap your hands
  Does HoTMaiL come with a spell checker?

> That's an admin/installer issue, tooo many folks on too many OS'es tend
> to install the kitchen sink on systems that don't need all the toys
> trinkets and tools that a desktop developer might need in specific
> circumstances.
> While redhat has become the linux version of M$ in all the neato
> desktop trinkets it has available, the admin doing the install needs to
> have enough whits about them to know how to trim the fat and lock the
> box for the purpose it is being  comisioned for.  Too many web servers
> exposed to the public have too many desktop trinkets and X window
> managers that are not required for the purpose at hand.

Look: I am in perfect agreement with you, we are *not* saying anything
different !
The same savvy admin I mentioned is the one that would harden (and keep
the installed software to a minimum) not only BSD, but also Linux, and
Windows too !
But not ALL admins/installers are like that. Unfortunately I have to say
that most of them have no clue, and rely too often on default
configurations.... which in turns creates new easy targets....

It definitely is an installer/admin issue.
But on any OS :)

I *definitely* prefer the approach where you don't have anything and you
build the system from the ground up (debian, gentoo, BSD for example).
But the same clueless installer who will leave the dafault bells and
whistles on redhat and on windows..... is the one who could not even
INSTALL BSD in the first place.... so here we are again....It's a vicious circle....


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