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RE: Certifications
From: "pingywon MCSE" <pingywon () hotmail com>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:16:23 -0500

Well this is one area I have dealt with too many times. For anyone who has
spent anytime on the MS cert new groups you all know what im talking about. 

People who are already employed in IT with out any certs are the firsts ones
to say how worthless they are and how everyone who has them "just memorized"
a bunch of questions. 

People who have some certs - and might only be in the position they are in
today due largely to some certs would tend to disagree. 

I have also worked for one of these "boot camp" schools (for a total of
about 3 months-shame on me)

The inherent problem is that while the "boot camps" do serve their purpose
to people who need brushing up to gain some certs - people that already have
a solid base to build upon - those aren’t the people that go to boot camps .
It doesn’t matter if it is a 2 week boot camp or a 6 month one.
The people that go to these boot camps are roofers and construction workers
who want a way out of their current employment situation. While that is all
well and good these people do not make the best candidates for IT work (with
no background knowledge) and the boot camps don’t care (no matter if its MS
er cisco boot camps) They just want their $$ ......like cattle I suppose.


Has this brought down the "bar" on what a cert means? ...it sure has
Does it mean everyone with certs doesn’t know anything? Not at all

Most employers take certs for granted..And now they are EXPECTED - before
the cert use to be a distinguishing mark, now it is given

~pingywon MCSE
 
http://www.pingywon.com
-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 02:57
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: [Full-disclosure] Certifications

While I gotta agree that experience is what
counts, what (if any) specialist certs should a
tertiary student, with a special interest in
security, use to underpin their prac?

P.S. If I'm too ignorant to warrant a civil
answer, like being told to go to the movies, my
apologies in advance so no flame needed.

=====

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