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RE: IE is just as safe as FireFox
From: "Michael Evanchik" <mevanchik () relationship1 com>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:15:08 -0500

I disagree Colin,

A good administrator knows there is more then one way to skin a cat.  Rafel,
I belive was just briefly stating some solutions to the problem.  I can tell
you windows protection can be defeated with a few registry changes.  Combine
that with an active directory login script and I believe that is one way to
solve the issue.  It is wrong to complain and give up if you administrator.
Talk to you developer, im sure he will have a solution  =)

Mike

www.michaelevanchik.com


-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of
Colin.Scott () csplc com
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:46 AM
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

More infinate wisdom there Rafel.

Price per license for "Finjan's Vital Security for Web" = 9.50GBP per user
+ 20% support per annum, roughly equates to 160,000GBP (plus any hardware,
software and network requirements) to cover us with your no doubt
class-leading product.  I'm sure that the Directors will love to cough up
another 160 grand when we are already paying MS for Premier support.

Use SUS to install XP SP2 to 14,000 Windows 2000 machines? Somehow I think
that will be problematic.

Replace the SHDOCVW.DLL with the XP SP2 version? On Windows 2000 machines?
And what about the practical problems getting round Windows File
Protection? On 14,000 machines? Do you want to come in here and try what
you suggest?

I think Rafel you need a lesson in being a Windows Administrator before
posting your very helpfull posts to this list.

So thanks but no thanks.

Colin.










                                                                           
             "Rafel Ivgi,                                                  
             The-Insider"                                                  
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If you do have 14000 machines why don't you buy "Finjan's Vital Security
For
Web"?
It will filter all malicious I.E exploits for all its surfers(its a proxy,
quite fast...)

Or just use SUS(system update server (microsoft)) just like any other
administrator... to install sp2 or to just
replace the c:\windows\system32\shdocvw.dll with the patched one or with
sp2
one...

Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
Security Consultant
Malicious Code Research Center (MCRC)
Finjan Software LTD
E-mail: rivgi () Finjan com
---------------------------------
Prevention is the best cure!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Colin.Scott () csplc com>
To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox


Oh yeah, I've got 14,000 Windows 2000 machines to update to windows XP SP2,
hang on wheres that CD?

So thanks for your infinate wisdom there Rafel.

Colin.









            "Rafel Ivgi,
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That is incorrect, there is a fix --> SP2.
Users  should use the latest updated system, meaning if there is an SP2,
they
should install it.


Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
Security  Consultant
Malicious Code Research Center (MCRC)
Finjan Software  LTD
E-mail: rivgi () Finjan com
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Prevention  is the best cure!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Mkrtchian"  <dotsecure () gmail com>
To: "Todd Towles" <toddtowles () brookshires com>
Cc: "Mailing List -  Full-Disclosure" <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>;
<ring-of-fire () yahoogroups com>
Sent: Friday,  November 12, 2004 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] IE is just as safe  as FireFox


They should've at least released that statement after  they fixed the
IE FRAME vulnerability. 0 day exploit is in the wild and  no fix for
it, yet they claim its secure enough.

If the  programmers are as smart as the company press releasers, I can
see   why I.E. still sux.


Martin


On  Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:59:20 -0600, Todd Towles
<toddtowles () brookshires com> wrote:
Microsoft's  security and mangement product manager (Ben English)
says...

At a security roundtable discussion in Sydney on  Thursday, Ben English,
Microsoft's security and management product  manager, told attendees
that
IE undergoes "rigorous code reviews"  and is no less secure than any
other  browser.

"Because IE is ubiquitous, you hear a lot more  about it, but I don't
think that Internet Explorer is any less  secure than any other browser
out there," English  said.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+says+Firefox+not+a+threat+to+IE/2100-1032_
 3-5448719.html?part=dht&tag=ntop&tag=nl.e433

Can  anyone say IFRAME? Lol

-Todd

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