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RE: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment
From: " Jim Tuttle" <jim.tuttle () wesd org>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:32:33 -0800

It's agendas like that, that segregate the information and keep it locked up
in secret files that only the "3l33t" you speak of have access too. A
substantial technological selling point for the current governmental
administration recently placed in office. I am not disputing your
professional accreditation or your more-than-real passion for information
disclosure. You have your reasons, and everyone should respect that. I am
just merely asking you to look at where you posted your reply. On FD. In my
last 3 years of network administration and network security, I have no need
to go to any "site" so you say. I just go to my inbox and download my daily
FD, and Bugtraq emails. It's all there, in plain text format. Maybe, if your
agenda is a prominent as your reply made it sound, you should consider
shutting down FD and the rest of the lists. 

In the meantime, hax0rs, phr34k3rs, FXPers carry on. I need your headaches,
haxs, Bots and issues. Otherwise, who knows how I'll pay my bills. And I do
get bored extremely easy. And if you all feel so inclined, post your tactics
and methods to a website, so I can register an account with a bogus email
and educate myself.

No hard feelings n3td3v, this isn't a flame.

Jim Tuttle
Tuttle Information Systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of n3td3v
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:06 AM
To: Todd Towles; full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: Re: FW: [Full-disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:53:44 +0000, n3td3v <xploitable () gmail com> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:20 -0600, Todd Towles 
<toddtowles () brookshires com> wrote:
Well, it is given that posting to FD does give a site exposure (good 
and bad). But I wouldn't say that FD was the cause of it..it was the 
illegal activity that was the cause of it. We all know SCC does some 
underground stuff and they post here each time they move. So...I 
wouldn't blame the FD list for anything.

I wouldn't use the word blame? I think its a good thing if 
Full-Disclosure is helping to catch online criminals. I don't know if 
you like malicious hackers and other criminals, but yeah.... I dislike 
them. I would do anything in my power to stop online crime, from 
scriptkiddie stuff, to sex stuff,spam,scams, fraud, terrorism and back 

I have no space for anyone thinking they are elite and all the other 
hacker scene crap. Its time to clamp down on the BS thats on the net.

If I was in gov, I would shut a site down that looks remotely 
hax0rish, even if they've done nothing wrong. All these crews and 
hacker groups, fk them all. The net needs zero tollerence with online 
crime. Govs should have the authority to close anything done because 
they feel like it, without needing to prove shit.

I would even close IRC channels. Hackphreak on undernet looks 
harmless, but fk that. Close it anyway, its time to get a tighter grip 
on things.


Same for zone-h.org, close the crap down.. f**k anything that looks remotely



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