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Re: House approves spyware legislation
From: Mark Shirley <mshirley () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:04:37 -0400

Blah blah blah, it's about as useful as the war on drugs.  Certin
drugs are illegal, it hasn't eliminated much, pirated software is
illegal, an old lady asked me for a copy of xp yesterday.  You arn't
going to get it all.  Most laws are nothing more then a basis for
prosecution. People still murder, but law puts them behind bars.  Some
innocents will get hurt but war is hell right?  This is a step in the
right direction and will provide clear grounds for prosecuting
criminals who are caught.  Hopefully the ones who contribute the most
to the problem. Personally I don't see a single aspect of this law
that hurts hacking.


On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:46:51 -0400, Micheal Espinola Jr
<michealespinola () gmail com> wrote:
Yes, clearly laws don't always work and people find loopholes.  So
instead of making new ones to compensate, lets just stop.

Great idea.  I'm surprised that the law enforcement community has not
come to this conclusion.

...And don't both discussing the appropriate changes to make to
existing flawed laws or the prevention of new inappropriate laws.
Lets just be negative, pass blame, and not be proactive about a
solution.

Are there any professionals on this list, or just people who like to
rant about policies and companies that they don't like?

"By a 399-1 vote, House members approved legislation prohibiting
"taking control" of a computer, surreptitiously modifying a Web
browser's home page, or disabling antivirus software without proper
authorization."

Yes, clearly this is a law against "hacking"...   *sigh*

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:07:38 -0500, Todd Towles


<toddtowles () brookshires com> wrote:
Why make more computer laws...when the current computer laws can not be
enforced correctl? We all know that the CAN-SPAM Act really cut the spam
out of our e-mails *sigh* Then the INDUCE act will make half the stuff
in a normal person's house illegal.

Making laws is just playing around...paper on top of paper doesn't stop
anything. It all falls back to the old saying - Action speaks louder
than words.



-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of
Gregory Gilliss
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:04 AM
To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] House approves spyware legislation

Great, Not that I'm any fan of spyware, but this is just
another law against hacking. Think - what's the difference
between this and someone using XSS to "take control" of a
computer? If you r00t a box and deface the home page, then
you've broken this law.

<sigh> Instead of fixing the problem (poor software security)
we pass laws to punish the people who do the things that
illustrate the problem.
Basic philosophical differences, blah blah blah ...

Worst of all, do you really think that the spyware rackets
will slow down or cease because of this? Nope - they'll just
migrate out of the jurisdiction.

-- Greg

On or about 2004.10.06 06:03:18 +0000, RandallM
(randallm () fidmail com) said:



The U.S. House of Representatives voted late Tuesday to
restrict some
of the most deceptive forms of spyware.

By a 399-1 vote, House members approved legislation prohibiting
"taking control" of a computer, surreptitiously modifying a Web
browser's home page, or disabling antivirus software
without proper authorization.


http://news.com.com/House+approves+spyware+legislation/2100-1028_3-539
7822.h
tml?tag=nefd.top


thank you
Randall M


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