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From: Kevin <KKadow () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:52:28 -0500

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:25:16 -0400, Micheal Espinola Jr
<michealespinola () gmail com> wrote:
Yea, but the l0pht was never an exploit group.  They were the most
true hackers I have ever personally known.

But it should also be considered that way back then, the youngest
member was in his teens, while the rest were significantly older than
him.  Now, that youngest member (Kingpin) should be about 30 y/o.

Their maturity and _responsibility_ to their passions has always kept
them a cut above in the professional game.

What I was trying to say is that there are other less visible success
stories of hacker turned "information security professional", that not
all of the guys who were innovative in the pre-WWW days drifted off to
become old stoner geeks (well, some did), but many actually matured
into responsible adults with a job, a mortgage, and a strong sense of
ethics and self control... and a passion for a good hack.

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:38:18 -0500, Kevin <kkadow () gmail com> wrote:
Scratch a thirty-something lead InfoSec consultant from any major
consulting firm (including the big four), and chances are you'll find
a "31337 Hax0r" from the 90's.

And this is excluding the obvious L0pht->@Stake->Symantec progression
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes,  L0pht a highly visible example,  but not the sole exception to
the rule; there are more than a few individuals who, seeing their name
in an industry journal, the first thing that comes to my mind is not
the respected consulting firm they work for now, but the hacker handle
they used back in the old h/p/v scene.

Kevin

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