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Re: Will a vote for John Kerry be counted by a Hart InterCivic eSlate3000 in Honolulu?
From: Bart.Lansing () kohls com
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:29:11 -0500
Jason, I have a rather direct question: Given what you know...and what
you wrote....why in blazes did you cast your vote electronically?
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full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com wrote on 10/20/2004 08:24:59 PM:
I just voted for John Kerry at a walk-in absentee ballot polling
place in Honolulu County using an eSlate3000 (unit serial number
A05A0B) made by Hart Intercivic: http://www.hartintercivic.com
I was told by the official who gave me the choice of voting on paper
or voting electronically that the electronic voting machines weren't
supposed to be here yet, but that since they arrived in time for the
2004 election, they were being used anyway.
Will my vote be counted? That depends on a number of unknowns, such
as whether or not the unit on which my vote was cast subsequently
malfunctions, rendering the entire vote tabulating memory card corrupt.
I did not receive a paper printout following the submission of my
Excluding the obvious possibility that fraud may occur, either to
stuff the electronic 'ballot box' with false votes, or to
intentionally destroy or fail to count votes for a particular
candidate, there are risks inherent to electronic voting that do not
exist in the same way with paper ballots. And although there are
technical safeguards possible that seem like common sense, these
safeguards continue to be ignored. Why?
Will we ever see common sense safeguards added to the electronic
A search for known security vulnerabilities or potential flaws in
voting equipment manufactured and sold by Hart InterCivic turns up:
Prior to casting my vote, I provided a written 'application' to vote
containing my current address and other contact information.
Election officials have every bit of information necessary to inform
me in the event of a memory card failure or other malfunction that
causes my electronic vote not to be counted properly.
We know the very equipment that I just used to cast my vote has
malfunctioned in the past. There have never been any reports that
any voter has ever been allowed to revote following the loss of
their electronic vote database record. Why not?
I find it absurd that common sense solutions to electronic voting
problems are not being used. The vote I just cast could be made
available for my anonymous review after it has been counted. For
that matter, all votes made by all voters could be aggregated and
published such that any voter could confirm that the vote that was
counted was in fact the vote that they cast.
Such a safeguard would ensure that no fraud could occur without
timely detection by those voters who are directly affected, and no
vote would go uncounted or be miscounted by mistake unless voters
choose not to perform such data validation.
If we're going to allow these electronic voting devices in our
elections, then we the people must be empowered to become the all
volunteer quality assurance army that validates the data output.
Reasonable people can live with the necessity to trust election
officials to be honest, and the criminal justice procedures to hold
them accountable when they are not, but who are we supposed to hold
accountable when equipment failures and flawed computer disaster
recovery planning result in the secret exclusion of members of the
public from access to their right to vote?
If anyone has any further information about Hart InterCivic and the
eSlate3000, please contact me directly.
jasonc () science org
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Re: Will a vote for John Kerry be counted by a Hart InterCivic eSlate3000 in Honolulu? J.A. Terranson (Oct 21)
Re: [SPAM] Will a vote for John Kerry be counted by a Hart InterCivic eSlate3000 in Honolulu? Jeff Price (Oct 21)
Re: Will a vote for John Kerry be counted by a Hart InterCivic eSlate3000 in Honolulu? defiance (Oct 21)
Re: Will a vote for John Kerry be counted by a Hart InterCivic eSlate3000 in Honolulu? Bart . Lansing (Oct 21)
Re: Will a vote for John Kerry be counted by a Hart InterCivic eSlate3000 in Honolulu? Exibar (Oct 21)
RE: [in] Re: Will a vote for John Kerry be counted by a Hart InterCivic eSlate3000 in Honolulu? Curt Purdy (Oct 21)
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