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Re: Will a vote for John Kerry be counted by a Hart InterCivic eSlate3000 in Honolulu?
From: Paul Schmehl <pauls () utdallas edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:12:16 -0500

--On Friday, October 22, 2004 10:32:34 AM -0400 Barry Fitzgerald <bkfsec () sdf lonestar org> wrote:

    I share similar concerns.  If we trace the "why" of this issue back
to it's root (and discard conspiracy theories - which, given the attitude
of a certain voting machine company that begins with a 'D's executives,
would be impossible to discard) is that it comes down to the fact that
our (s)elected officials are more and more often coming from the
corporate power-base.

This is false.

The U.S. Congress has long been dominated by lawyer-politicians. Friedman notes that, "From 1780 to 1930, two thirds of the senators and about half of the House of Representatives were lawyers; the percentage seems to have stayed fairly stable" (Friedman 1985: 647). As Table 1 indicates, at the beginning of the 101st Congress in 1989, 184 members (42%) of the U.S. House of Representatives were lawyers (47% of the Democrats and 35 % of the Republicans). Sixty-three senators were lawyers, roughly equally distributed between the two parties (Ornstein, Mann, and Malbin 1990: 20-21, 26-27). At the beginning of the 102nd Congress in January, 1991, 244 of the 535 members of both houses (46%) claimed attorney as their profession (Congressional Quarterly Weekly Report 1/12/91: 118).

There are more lawyers than any other profession in Congress - 217. There are 184 businessmen/bankers, 124 public service/politicians (never had a real job), 99 educators, 28 farmers/ranchers, 24 realtors, 17 journalists, 17 medical professionals, 10 law enforcement officers, 9 engineers, etc, etc., etc.

Please get your facts straight before posting to a public list.

There are two facts about corporate leadership: a)
Negate your responsibility and liability and b) the appearence of
legitimacy is all you need.

    Using that filter, you can explain all of the actions and
perspectives of the current government.  Of course, this isn't a
statesmanly thing.

Nor is it a true thing, but I guess that's beside your point.

     This is why I support removing the right to run for office from
anyone who has served as an executive in a company.  Having served in
that capacity produces a mindset that is poisonous to the democratic

I'll make a deal with you. If I get to ban all lawyers from Congress, you get to ban all business persons. Of course, if you're going to do that, you might as well just transfer the membership of the NEA, but I supposed *you'd* be all for *that*.

 This is not a "discriminatory" practice in the sense that being
elected is a right.  That's the first argument people throw at me.

They're stupid then. It's just plain discriminatory in that it treats one class of citizens differently from all others. You *do* understand *that* don't you?

However, it's an argument that is not grounded in reality.

Or common sense or logic either, but that doesn't seem to stop you for a second.

I'm sure glad you don't make the rules.

Paul Schmehl (pauls () utdallas edu)
Adjunct Information Security Officer
The University of Texas at Dallas
AVIEN Founding Member

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