Full Disclosure: RE: [inbox] Re: This sums up Yahoo!s security policyto a -T-

["Exibar" <exibar () thelair com>]

Item 25 sums it all up.  His parents have no legal recourse to get their
son's account.  I must have missed Mary's post earlier in the week somehow,
vacations will do that to ya :-)

  Heck, they probably already have their son's account information anyway...
I'm sure that someone, somewhere, hacked his account and gave them the
information.  Or maybe they just guessed the PW....

  Ex

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Tucker [mailto:jftucker () gmail com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:02 PM
> To: Mary Landesman
> Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
> Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] This sums up Yahoo!s security
> policyto a -T-
>
>
> I agree wholeheartedly.
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:05:55 -0500, Mary Landesman
> <mlande () bellsouth net> wrote:
> > While I feel great compassion for the deceased Marine's father, I do not
> > believe that grief should override security, privacy, terms of
> service, and
> > good judgement. Any email Justin Ellsworth wished his father to
> have could
> > reasonably be expected to have been sent to his father prior to Justin's
> > death - by Justin, of course. Any email destined for other
> persons is not -
> > nor should it ever be - the property of anyone other than Justin and the
> > person to whom the email was sent.
> >
> > If Justin wanted his father to inherit his email account, he
> would/should
> > have provided his dad with the logon info.
> >
> > Excerpted from Yahoo's ToS agreement:
> > --------------------
> > 21. NO THIRD PARTY BENEFICIARIES
> >
> > You agree that, except as otherwise expressly provided in this
> TOS, there
> > shall be no third party beneficiaries to this Agreement.
> > --------------------
> >
> > And under item 25 (General Information):
> >
> > --------------------
> > No Right of Survivorship and Non-Transferability. You agree
> that your Yahoo!
> > account is non-transferable and any rights to your Yahoo! I.D.
> or contents
> > within your account terminate upon your death. Upon receipt of
> a copy of a
> > death certificate, your account may be terminated and all
> contents therein
> > permanently deleted.
> > --------------------
> >
> > As a Yahoo member, I would expect these terms to be enforced.
> >
> > It is tragic that a father lost his son. It is understandable that the
> > father wishes to gain access to every word his son ever typed. But, no
> > matter how cold it may seem, just because it is understandable
> doesn't make
> > it right.
> >
> > Now, if there were reason to believe that a crime had been committed and
> > that evidence lies in the email, that's a different story. In
> such a case, I
> > believe the email should be turned over to the authorities. But
> absent legal
> > need, turning over email to a grieving parent/spouse/child is a
> dangerous
> > and undesirable precedent.
> >
> > Yahoo should be applauded for protecting the privacy of its members.
> > Frankly, I am shocked that many members of this particular list
> seem to feel
> > otherwise. As it stands, Yahoo's security policy suits me to a -T-.
> >
> > -- Mary
> >
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