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Re: PAYPAL security, hundred or thausend of buyers under cc fraud
From: "Bart Lansing" <bart.lansing () hushmail com>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:44:38 -0700

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I'd say Mary hit the nail pretty squarely on the head here.  5
minutes (ok, I lied, 2 minutes) of googling made it pretty clear
that being able to breathe and having a credit/debit car were as
valid a set of commanilities as any...and I'm not certain about the
breathing part, as I am sure that there at any given moment a large
number of credit cards still active for dead people.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:31:50 -0700 Mary Landesman
<mlande () bellsouth net> wrote:
Ever consider the number of PayPal and Amazon users? Of course
those names
are going to crop up frequently. My guess is most of the people
impacted
also eat beef, drink beer, and like the Rolling Stones. That's all
immaterial.

The point is, it's very clear that not ALL were PayPal and Amazon
users.

In fact, not ALL even involved cards used or stored online.

I'm fairly certain not ALL like the Stones, beer, or beef either.

Conversely, CardSystems processed account data for MasterCard,
Visa,
American Express, Discover, and others. 40,000,000 (four zero
million)
accounts were exposed, 200,000 are known to have been skimmed for
certain.
Pretty significant numbers impacting a huge number of people
regardless of
where they shop or whether they like the Stones or have a PayPal
account.

Try googling that.

-- Mary

----- Original Message -----
From: <ad () class101 org>
To: "'Mary Landesman'" <mlande () bellsouth net>;
<full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] PAYPAL security,hundred or thausend

of buyers
under cc fraud


Read all also, if your mind is linked to this post..., it happens
too much
to amazon nor paypal buyers... my card is French and not stored
too any
online store without amazon or paypal. Try to google "DIGITAL AGE
888", etc,
this is enough yeah to shoot at both companies storing our cc...
else let me
know where we have all used our cc card ?

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Mary Landesman [mailto:mlande () bellsouth net]
Envoyé : mardi 11 octobre 2005 16:00
À : ad () class101 org; full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Objet : Re: [Full-disclosure] PAYPAL security,hundred or thausend
of buyers
under cc fraud

I've spent less than 5 minutes looking through that thread and
already have
found a number of posts stating their card was not affiliated with

PayPal.
So I have to wonder how you jumped so quickly to that conclusion.

Remember CardSystems - 200,000 credit card accounts were
compromised and 40
million accounts exposed just months ago. I think I would put my
bet on
something more obvious, like that.

Research is about more than collecting links that backup your
viewpoint.

-- Mary

----- Original Message -----
From: <ad () class101 org>
To: <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:23 AM
Subject: [Full-disclosure] PAYPAL security,hundred or thausend of
buyers
under cc fraud


I will explain my small story to show you that using paypal to buy

on the
web is risked.
I have buy only 2 things this month, 1 game at steampowered.com
and 1GB DDR2
at a respectable ebay store. That was the first time I were using
paypal to
pay things on the net and so on it will be the last time..

Today I notice at my bank account a fraudulent debit of 24.99$
coming from a
"DIGITAL AGE 888", and looking on the web, happy to see that there

is
hundred maybe thausends of ppl in my case , fraudulent charge of
24.99$ from
a "digital age".

look there:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14525502?
hilite=digital+age

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14521837?
hilite=digital+age

http://www.robertkbrown.com/2005/10/04/digital_age_fraud.html

after reading all this and comparing with my case, sure it comes
from paypal
and the stored cc card.

So if you are under the fraud also like me, fill a complaint to
your bank
and there http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

This was a first and last use of paypal for me, unbelievable ...



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