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From: "J. Patterson Wicks" <pwicks () oxygen com>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:48:57 -0400

While this thread has nothing to do with computer/network security, I
just hate it when political statements are contextually incomplete.
Bush was not responsible for NAFTA, but he was responsible for CAFTA-DR.
The Central America-Dominican Republic-United States Free Trade
Agreement (CAFTA-DR) includes seven signatories: the United States,
Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and
Nicaragua. The U.S. Congress approved the CAFTA-DR in July 2005 and the
President signed it into law on August 2, 2005.
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050802-2.html)

Was this agreement better or worse than NAFTA?  Who knows?  This is not
a statement for or against President Bush, and it is also not a
statement for or against NAFTA or CAFTA-DR.  Both agreements are more
about sugar exports than tech jobs outsourcing.  

Now can we please get back to hacking and leave trade agreements to
http://www.willson1918.com.


- Pat Wicks
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of Neil
Davis
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:59 PM
To: Steven Rakick
Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] re: Dude! Amigo! [Was: Re:
[funsec]Universityof South Carolina e-Mail Co

Prime Minister eh?
I'm such a hoser. He was still blaming the wrong guy for NAFTA, though
the current Bush is a NAFTA fanboi too.
They should just change the name of the country to "The United
Corporations of America" or "The Corporate States of America" and get
it over with.



On 4/17/06, Steven Rakick <stevenrakick () yahoo com> wrote:
In an effort to keep the facts straight, Canada
doesn't have a President, they have a Prime Minister.


-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On
Behalf Of Neil Davis
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:42 AM
To: Dave Alanis
Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk; Fergie
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] re: Dude! Amigo! [Was:
Re: [funsec] Universityof South Carolina e-Mail Co

I'm not a fan of dubya, but NAFTA was passed during
the Clinton administration...
It was the initially pursued by George H.W. Bush
(dubya senior) and the Canadian president but it
didn't get very far during his term.

Clinton thought it was a good idea so took up the
crusade after he was elected.
From the Wiki:
There was considerable opposition on both sides of the
border, but in the United States it was able to secure
passage after President Bill Clinton made its passage
a major legislative initiative in 1993. After intense
political debate and the negotiation of several side
agreements, the US House passed NAFTA by 234-200 (132
Republicans and
102 Democrats voting in favor) and the US Senate
passed it by 61-38.
End From the Wiki.

The current outsourcing stuff started with Clinton
too. It was already well under way in 2000. The
outsourcing didn't require any new laws to be passed.
It exploited loopholes, precedents set with NAFTA, and
the lack of laws concerning labor export.

I am afraid you can't blame the current president for
this one... The current president may not be
everyone's favorite president, but let's at least keep
the facts straight and not twist history.

Bush inherited these two things from your man Clinton,
along with the Dot Com bubble. Give credit where it's
due.

-Viz


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