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Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF
From: Gavin Conway <gavin () uksolutions co uk>
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:22:48 +0000

Gadi Evron wrote:
What we really learn from this all WMF "thingie", is that when Microsoft wants to, it can.

Microsoft released the WMF patch ahead of schedule
( http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/181 )

Yep, THEY released the PATCH ahead of schedule.

What does that teach us?

There are a few options:
1. When Microsoft wants to, it can.

There was obviously pressure with this 0day, still — most damage out there from vulnerabilities is done AFTER Microsoft releases the patch and the vulnerability becomes public.

2. Microsoft decided to jump through a few QA tests this time, and release a patch.

Why should they be releasing BETA patches?
If they do, maybe they should release BETA patches more often, let those who want to - use them. It can probably also shorten the testing period considerably. If this patch is not BETA, but things did just /happen/ to progress more swiftly.. than maybe we should re-visit option #1 above.


Maybe it’s just that we are used to sluggishness. Perhaps it is time we, as users and clients, started DEMANDING of Microsoft to push things up a notch.


Put in the necessary resources, and release patches within days of first discovery. I’m willing to live with weeks and months in comparison to the year+ that we have seen sometimes. Naturally some problems take longer to fix, but you get my drift.

It’s just like with false positives… as an industry we are now used to them. We don’t treat them as bugs, we treat them as an “acceptable level of”, as I heard Aviram mention a few times.


The rest is in my blog entry on the subject:


Although I agree with a lot of what you have said I do feel that this is a rather shameless way to start what is undoubtedly to become a 'flame-war' and to pimp your own website. Please try to keep bugtraq on target by posting bug related items.

Kind Regards,

Gavin COnway

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