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Re: Vulnerability/Penetration Testing Tools
From: greybrimstone () aim com
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:45:17 -0500

Alright,
I've made an observation. Full Disclosure is a list where emails and subjects evolve into new emails and subjects which are not directly related to the first subject or email. For example, this one has evolved into a discussion about overhead, development and other such things. Really, its quite interesting. ;[

-Adriel

-----Original Message-----
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
To: Madison, Marc <mmadison () fnni com>
Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Vulnerability/Penetration Testing Tools

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:13:05 CST, "Madison, Marc" said:
> H D, my apologize. My FD emails were out of order, and I took your
> response out of context. If your looking for a script that will combine
> MetaSploit, and Nessus then BidiBLAH will work. Still for $10 grand I
> would suggest taking a scripting class at your local college so you can
> make your own BidiBlah.
>
> Math:
> BidiBLAH: $10,000
> College scripting class: $350
>
> The knowledge you'll gain for ever, priceless.

Something to keep in mind however - many people make that comparison, and
don't calculate the *TOTAL* cost.

If your developer is getting paid $60K/year, the *encumbered* cost (benefits, office, etc) is close to twice that. And if he's writing an in-house BidiBLAh,
that's time he's *not* writing stuff you *can't* buy off-the-shelf.
As a result, it breaks out as:

BidiBLAH: $10,000

scripting clss: $350
6 man-weeks time: $15,000

OK? Got that? Suddenly doesn't look like such a good deal, does it? Maybe you *should* just buy BidiBLAH, and have that guy coding that custom interface
between two in-house systems instead....

(And don't say "I only pay my developer $30K, so he can take 2 man-months to do it" - the kind of developer you can keep for $30K is probably going to take
a lot more than twice as long as the $60K developer.....)

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