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RE: Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices
From: "Greg" <full-disclosure2 () pchandyman com au>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:01:06 +1100

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Bubrouski [mailto:stan.bubrouski () gmail com] 
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 8:37 AM
To: Greg
Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices

On 1/19/06, Greg <full-disclosure2 () pchandyman com au> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On 
Behalf Of Stan 
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 7:51 AM
To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices

On 1/19/06, Dave Korn <davek_throwaway () hotmail com> wrote:

Stan Bubrouski wrote in 
news:122827b90601190801w2a7f8206h5d8973cf6b240788 () mail gmail com
As cruel as that last message was I'm sick of the ZA 
pros here 
saying its perfect, its not, far from it.

  Since nobody has ever claimed that ZA is perfect, in
saying this you

Yeah I didn't literally mean perfect, only that certain 
people seem 
to argue that everyone's complaints about ZA aren't real because 
they don't experience them.  What proof

Actually, seeing no-one actually said that, I suppose that is a 
pointer towards you REALLY meaning that YOU cant make the prog do 
something therefore no-one can.

I said it slowed down IE on machines here and some apps 
wouldn't start.  Where did I claim that everyone had this 
problem?  Again just because something doesn't affect you 
doesn't mean ZA isn't at fault... unless you are sitting at 
the exact same computer as me I don't see how you can know this...

<SNIP useful text that should have been sent in separate message>

could I profer here?  Some flawed benchmark?  A video?  
Why would I 
bother you assume I'm lying anyways.

that your claims are either lies or hyperbole.  If you 
can't argue 
with what

So because you think that one sentence is misleading (in 
'perfect' was not a good word choice), everything else I 
said must 
be untrue.  Sigh.

people actually said, making up things that they didn't say is 
fatuously dishonest.

You are the one being dishonest and the one exaggerating 
here.  You 
take something too literally, and call people

Actually, I would have to agree with him that it was you 
doing that. 
You either lied or exaggerated above as I pointed out. Deal with it.

How selectively we read.  He accused me of lying about using 
the word perfect (I didn't mean it literally) and then said 
my claims that ZA slowed down IE and caused some apps not to 
load here are either lies or exaggerated because he says so.  
And now because you say so... you've convinced me!  Is there 
some benchmark you'd like me to run to prove it to you?

I don't think anymore needs be said. Your mistakes, above, are enough to
condemn you by your own word so for the sake of not making this any worse,
we'll leave it here.

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