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RE: Want to test this desktop barrier? (Unauthorized offer) 0day protection
From: "Bill Stout" <bill.stout () greenborder com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:07:27 -0700

 <<Re: [Full-disclosure] Want to test this desktop barrier? (Unauthorized offer) 0day protection>> Hi Thierry,

It is conceptually different than AV or AS products, which is which is why I fall back to analogies.  Even experienced 
security folk automatically categorize something new with existing products, and presuppose there is nothing new under 
the sun.

If you generally categorize anything that does virtualization as a sandbox, then it's a sandbox.  I mean, some people 
consider virtual machines a way to create a sandbox.  Wikipedia does.  Personally I think running VMware or Virtual PC 
just to run a browser securely is way too intrusive for the average user.  So to avoid the user experience of booting a 
virtual OS, why not create a virtual application instance that can't contaminate the computer?  I say that like it's 
easy, but it requires kernel knowledge to develop.  Otherwise you only virtualize a few directories and some registry 
entries, and are exposed to attacks which leverage system calls, COM objects, User Shell, etc..

I believe this list is read by some of the best and most aggressive hackers that exist, and this is the best place to 
expose a new security product.  I am interested in what the list has to say.  

Bill Stout

_____________________________________________ 
From:   Thierry Zoller [mailto:Thierry () Zoller lu] 
Sent:   Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:04 PM
To:     Bill Stout
Cc:     full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Subject:        Re: [Full-disclosure] Want to test this desktop barrier? (Unauthorized offer) 0day protection

Dear Bill Stout,

Your are posting to Full-disclosure, not your average mailinglist, you
don't need stories about toddlers and gloves, or "shots". ;)


If you see a toddler 
about to touch a dead animal, it's best they're wearing gloves rather 
than being up to date on their shots. 

First it's a bad analogy, second it's plain wrong.

 We refer to the virtual environment as 'x-space', or 'within GreenBorder'.  
let's stick to some standards should we ? S A N D B O X 


-- 

http://secdev.zoller.lu

Thierry Zoller

Fingerprint : 5D84 BFDC CD36 A951 2C45  2E57 28B3 75DD 0AC6 F1C7

--- Begin Message --- From: "Thierry Zoller" <Thierry () Zoller lu>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:04:10 -0700
Dear Bill Stout,




Your are posting to Full-disclosure, not your average mailinglist, you

don't need stories about toddlers and gloves, or "shots". ;)




If you see a toddler 

about to touch a dead animal, it's best they're wearing gloves rather 

than being up to date on their shots. 

First it's a bad analogy, second it's plain wrong.




We refer to the virtual environment as 'x-space', or 'within GreenBorder'.  




let's stick to some standards should we ? S A N D B O X 













-- 

http://secdev.zoller.lu

Thierry Zoller

Fingerprint : 5D84 BFDC CD36 A951 2C45  2E57 28B3 75DD 0AC6 F1C7


--- End Message ---
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