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Re: Exploit Brokering
From: "Joey Mengele" <joey.mengele () hushmail com>
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:28:34 -0500
This is hardly on topic and you do not have any unique credentials
to validate your claims. Please refrain from writing off topic and
baseless editorials in the future or risk moderation. Thanks.
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:22:01 -0500 Simon Smith <simon () snosoft com>
[ This email is in response to all of the emails that I see with
trying to broker exploits by advertising them on full disclosure
other public mailing lists. ]
SNOsoft has been legitimately and legally brokering exploits since
2000, and we're still doing it very successfully. As a matter of
we will not ever purchase items from careless developers, and will
sell to careless buyers or non US based buyers... With exploit
comes great responsibility and liability.
People posting emails in public forums in an attempt to sell
not only careless and irresponsible, but is also a testament to
persons immaturity and lack of experience. Do they ever stop to
about the potential liability? What happens if they sell to a
foreign party, what could happen to them, etc...?
I think that there is a legitimate market for Exploit Brokering
is done properly (ethically and legally). I think that in that
the developers should adhere to strict rules and not cross certain
boundaries. I also think that the responsible and ethical
should be paid fair value for their time, instead of a pathetic
of $5,000.00 for a high grade item. Think about it, the average QA
Engineer makes more money per bug than the higher talent security
researcher. There's something wrong with that.
The solution to that problem is not to sell exploits to just
anyone in a
public forum. That introduces too much liability to the developer,
especially if the buyer is illegitimate or hostile. The solution
work with legitimate established businesses in a confidential and
Unfortunately for those developers that are trying to sell
public forum, their chances of working with legitimate businesses
gone. No way will any of the legitimate Exploit Brokers ever
item from an irresponsible developer. Its just a matter of time
laws get passed and they end up getting thrown in jail for selling
weaponized exploits to the wrong people.
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