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Re: Supporters urge halt to hacker's, extradition to US
From: Kyrian <kyrian () ore org>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:30:56 +0100
full-disclosure-request () lists grok org uk wrote:
"American officials involved in this case have stated that they want
to see him 'fry'."-- BBC.
[IANAL, correct me if I'm wrong, etc, but...]
Yes, that's a large part of the problem.
That courts *can* be bought (usually indirectly via already-bought
officials, or more nasty methods), and that government officials have
said the above makes it worse still.
The thought that US law was apparently changed from requiring damage to
systems to get a conviction to not requiring such damage, very recently,
is another problem.
The fact that neither the US or the UK (as far as I'm aware) actually
has a sane enough legal framework for this sort of thing, or enough
police (anyonewho's dealt with the UK's former "High Tech Crime Unit"
will know this), judges (there are many examples of judges being "out of
touch" in their rulings), etc. who are actually aware enough of the
underlying technology to deal with it sensibly is another.
I agree with whoever said that people should be extradited to the
country in which they caused damage, but not under circumstances like
these, and not when there is no agreed standard of law between the
country the person would be extradited from, and the one they would go to.
In the UK it still requires damage to be done for it to be a criminal
offense, and that does not seem set to change.
That it is possible to cause damage to (badly managed) systems by doing
absolutely nothing in a lot of circumstances (as I am finding right
now), that logs can be faked, and that the dividing line between probes
versus actual hacking attempts is at times a very narrow one, there is
plenty of reason not to agree extradite Gary.
That he's "autistic" is probably neither here nor there, I'm afraid, as
it seems to be very common for people involved in computing the be
somewhere high on the autistic spectrum (even if they are not
'officially' autistic). I have taken the test. I'm not telling, but I
know what I'm talking about.
So, I shall be there, I won't be shouting or chanting, but I will be
there. I hope that the event is not hijacked by another purpose, and
that I do not get shot by the armed police at the US Embassy there (it
is a scarey looking place, which puts me on edge whenever I'm near).
Strangely I also find myself wondering if the staff there are paying the
London congestion charge yet, rather than ignoring it...?
Just my 2c, or so.
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