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Re: Worthless Disclosure
From: Jason Starks <jstarks440 () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:15:07 -0500

Of course. You get what you pay for and is there really any real point of
relevance in asking?

Jason

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM, T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com> wrote:

While I can never hope to live up to Jim Bell's seminal work 'assassination
politics' the following is a rough draft of something that follows the same
vein.
A theme, which many of you undoubtedly will recognize from the current TPB
cout proceedings, of making money indirectly by taking advantage of safe
harbor laws by creating services that are very tempting to criminal
activity.
Of course the most notable example would be YouTube, which nobody will deny
made it's popularity off of user contributed copyrighted works, which
provided the catalyst userbase that allows it to persist in such popularity
today.
Other video sharing sites that have cropped up more or less cater exactly
to the posters of copyright content, such as the supernova offerings.

This trend of 'turning around' DMCA's Safe Harbor on the legislators that
drafted and passed it is a practice I lamely call 'Chaos Engineering' or
engineering a service in such a way as to instigate criminal activity,
protect and propagate that activity, whilst profiting from it as a service
entirely legally.

One could imagine, and those familiar with the VoIP criminal underground
would agree, a VoIP marketplace that allowed anyone to provide a terminating
route with a bid. Such a service would intelligently route to the
lowest-priced available termination point. To make this service tempt the
underworld you allow 'anonymous' (e-gold anonymous) signups, and payout in
any of the currently popular e-monies systems, pecunix, liberty reserve,
WebMoney, include bank wires, cheques etc.
To further (and would perhaps be overkill here) promote to the underground
you offer an affiliate program then launch your own programs (under false
credentials of course) to promote the site directly to the various
'Phreaking' communities.
Naturally the termination points that were attained via some amount of
"coercive or illicit business practice" would be the lowest priced so that
their routes would be selected.
The service makes its profit by charging the average rate weighted by
individual server availability... a price higher than the lowest priced
services but still lower than the major VoIP providers.

Yeah so how would you all respond to such a situation? Jump on the money
train or what.

Great,

-Travis

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