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Re: [SCADASEC] 11. Re: SCADA Security - Software fee's
From: bobby.mugabe () hushmail com
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:49:22 -0500

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Mr. Krymson,

1. Valdis' replies fall under other commonly used Latin phrases,
such as "ad nauseam" that the slightly educated use in conversation
to attempt emulation of both higher levels of education and
intelligence than they actually possess.  Nice try, you fucking

2. Who the fuck are you and why should we, the security community,
care about your feelings toward Mr. Kletnieks?  He has never once
offered a technical response to anything, and if anything has only
demonstrated an inability to grasp simple technical concepts.
Valdis says very little, but I suppose we must give him credit for
the frequency and length of how often he says that.

Perhaps one day you'll have joined him in his esteemed rank of
moustached village idiot.

et cetera, et cetera.

- - bm

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:57:06 -0500 Michael Krymson
<krymson () gmail com> wrote:
1- We could do this ad infinitum, but "this list's lack of usual
does not mean your opinion is
either respected, welcomed, or desired by anyone," Mr. Mugabe. But
hey, at
least Valdis was on topic, right? Circular arguments get us

2- Further, I for one welcome Valdis' opinions. He is well-
makes excellent points, and regularly demonstrates a high degree
intelligence and understanding. Quite frankly, that earns much
more respect
than whiney immature posts like the below. So, that makes one
person on this
list who welcomes it, and not the "no one" you were implying when
you seemed
to speak for an entire list...

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM, <bobby.mugabe () hushmail com>

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Mr. Kletnieks,

This list's lack of usual moderation does not mean your opinion
either respected, welcomed, or desired by anyone.  Like my
always says, "Give a nigger a podium and he'll rap for anyone.
Give a white man a podium and he'll beat his chest like a
and spew mindless propaganda to anyone that will listen with the
hope that the senseless banter will impress those less
than he."

And you, my friend, are not black.

- -bm

On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:30:01 -0500 Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:24:29 EST, Smoking Gun said:

Ironically, your own quote"company"quote offered penetration
services at the insane pricing scheme of "we'll pentest0r joo
for free
and if we find something you can pay us to find other

And how, exactly, is that an "insane" pricing scheme?  If you
think about
it for a bit, it actually makes quite a bit of sense - Snosoft
needs to prove
they're in fact good enough to be able to find the holes you're
paying them
to find, or it doesn't cost anything.

That *sure* as hell beats paying $100K for a pen test, and then
finding out
that you hired a bunch of asswipes who can't find holes.

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